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wounded_shoulder
Post subject: Autograph signing etiquette
PostPosted: 19:52 on 29th Mar 2010

Joined: 13:54 on 27th Nov 2008
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Yeah I don't want to get embroiled in all of EMF's comments (KLF were better) but I saw some of the bad things that people were writing as their signature and found it disappointing and disrespectful, if entirely predictable. I mean sure, it's a bit strange to us, but these are school children who may never get the chance to interact with 'foreigners' again at least in an informal way, on 'equal terms', sat in the same location watching the same cricket match at the same price. Judging by the clamour for autographs and messages, they were presumably thrilled at the prospect of taking these '6' and '4' cards, school books, bits of paper and sweaty palms back to their homes and schools to show friends and maybe try and translate the English with their teachers. A bit of entrepreneurial spirit that can't be faulted ha ha! Surely if it was too much effort for the poor stressed out tourist folk in the stands who flew all that way just to watch a bit of cricket in peace and quiet then wouldn't it have been better not to sign anything at all? It was by no means everyone of course, but a 'significant minority' of miscreants (or one miscreant, and n-1 sheep) and that's the disappointing thing. And imagine THEIR disappointment the next day, when they realise that some of the special foreign guests (that they thought were so cool they risked the wrath of the funny shouty big stick wielding cops just to get that last autograph), turn out to be, well, I can't really say on a family forum.

Having said that, (or not said that haha!), if you had the patience it was good fun messing around with the locals wasn't it? There were literally hundreds of said school children left in fits of hysterical, uncontrollable laughter (more hysterical and uncontrollable than normal) when I sneakily showed them all the close up rolls of unsightly flab and gold chain oozing down from the Regimented Fun Stand on my special zoom zoom camera. Courtesy of my daring and spontaneous cloak and dagger operation they all went home utterly jubilant (as did I ha ha!) so I guess it all balances out in the end, after all... we do live in a recursive universe...and wouldn't life be boring without a bit of idiot spotting at the cricket, init ?

Anyway, I've now missed nearly all of 'Ask the Chancellors' on Channel 4.

'Teknaf 'til I die'
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naibob
Post subject: Re: Autograph signing etiquette
PostPosted: 20:13 on 29th Mar 2010

Joined: 19:40 on 1st Dec 2008
Posts: 478
Location: London
wounded_shoulder Wrote:
Yeah I don't want to get embroiled in all of EMF's comments (KLF were better) but I saw some of the bad things that people were writing as their signature and found it disappointing and disrespectful, if entirely predictable. I mean sure, it's a bit strange to us, but these are school children who may never get the chance to interact with 'foreigners' again at least in an informal way, on 'equal terms', sat in the same location watching the same cricket match at the same price. Judging by the clamour for autographs and messages, they were presumably thrilled at the prospect of taking these '6' and '4' cards, school books, bits of paper and sweaty palms back to their homes and schools to show friends and maybe try and translate the English with their teachers. A bit of entrepreneurial spirit that can't be faulted ha ha! Surely if it was too much effort for the poor stressed out tourist folk in the stands who flew all that way just to watch a bit of cricket in peace and quiet then wouldn't it have been better not to sign anything at all? It was by no means everyone of course, but a 'significant minority' of miscreants (or one miscreant, and n-1 sheep) and that's the disappointing thing. And imagine THEIR disappointment the next day, when they realise that some of the special foreign guests (that they thought were so cool they risked the wrath of the funny shouty big stick wielding cops just to get that last autograph), turn out to be, well, I can't really say on a family forum.

Having said that, (or not said that haha!), if you had the patience it was good fun messing around with the locals wasn't it? There were literally hundreds of said school children left in fits of hysterical, uncontrollable laughter (more hysterical and uncontrollable than normal) when I sneakily showed them all the close up rolls of unsightly flab and gold chain oozing down from the Regimented Fun Stand on my special zoom zoom camera. Courtesy of my daring and spontaneous cloak and dagger operation they all went home utterly jubilant (as did I ha ha!) so I guess it all balances out in the end, after all... we do live in a recursive universe...and wouldn't life be boring without a bit of idiot spotting at the cricket, init ?

Anyway, I've now missed nearly all of 'Ask the Chancellors' on Channel 4.

'Teknaf 'til I die'


I must of signed 30 -50 cards/scraps of paper in Chitters. I did the odd Ian Bell (sorry) but 9 times out of 10 did my usual scrawly signature (ineligible to most)......

.....did people really write some of the things previously mentioned? Or is this just hysteria? I saw none of it on cards that already had writing on.....
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GeorgethePodge
Post subject: Re: Autograph signing etiquette
PostPosted: 06:40 on 30th Mar 2010

Joined: 00:10 on 25th Apr 2008
Posts: 1167
naibob Wrote:
wounded_shoulder Wrote:
Yeah I don't want to get embroiled in all of EMF's comments (KLF were better) but I saw some of the bad things that people were writing as their signature and found it disappointing and disrespectful, if entirely predictable. I mean sure, it's a bit strange to us, but these are school children who may never get the chance to interact with 'foreigners' again at least in an informal way, on 'equal terms', sat in the same location watching the same cricket match at the same price. Judging by the clamour for autographs and messages, they were presumably thrilled at the prospect of taking these '6' and '4' cards, school books, bits of paper and sweaty palms back to their homes and schools to show friends and maybe try and translate the English with their teachers. A bit of entrepreneurial spirit that can't be faulted ha ha! Surely if it was too much effort for the poor stressed out tourist folk in the stands who flew all that way just to watch a bit of cricket in peace and quiet then wouldn't it have been better not to sign anything at all? It was by no means everyone of course, but a 'significant minority' of miscreants (or one miscreant, and n-1 sheep) and that's the disappointing thing. And imagine THEIR disappointment the next day, when they realise that some of the special foreign guests (that they thought were so cool they risked the wrath of the funny shouty big stick wielding cops just to get that last autograph), turn out to be, well, I can't really say on a family forum.

Having said that, (or not said that haha!), if you had the patience it was good fun messing around with the locals wasn't it? There were literally hundreds of said school children left in fits of hysterical, uncontrollable laughter (more hysterical and uncontrollable than normal) when I sneakily showed them all the close up rolls of unsightly flab and gold chain oozing down from the Regimented Fun Stand on my special zoom zoom camera. Courtesy of my daring and spontaneous cloak and dagger operation they all went home utterly jubilant (as did I ha ha!) so I guess it all balances out in the end, after all... we do live in a recursive universe...and wouldn't life be boring without a bit of idiot spotting at the cricket, init ?

Anyway, I've now missed nearly all of 'Ask the Chancellors' on Channel 4.

'Teknaf 'til I die'


I must of signed 30 -50 cards/scraps of paper in Chitters. I did the odd Ian Bell (sorry) but 9 times out of 10 did my usual scrawly signature (ineligible to most)......

.....did people really write some of the things previously mentioned? Or is this just hysteria? I saw none of it on cards that already had writing on.....


EFM mentions nasty signatures
where where these attained then if he was sat in the 20p seats all the time I assume the kid wanting the "autographs" was too

In all honesty I was warned against doing this last time
If you give your coreect e mail and phone number you will be contacted in due time
They pester you in the middle of the night asking
Please can I come to england?
will you be my sponsor?

I duly obliged signing a scribble signature but with a bogus e mail and phone number

learning all the time......
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Big Harvey
Post subject: Re: Autograph signing etiquette
PostPosted: 09:19 on 30th Mar 2010

Joined: 09:14 on 23rd Apr 2008
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GeorgethePodge Wrote:
EFM mentions nasty signatures
where where these attained then if he was sat in the 20p seats all the time I assume the kid wanting the "autographs" was too

In all honesty I was warned against doing this last time
If you give your coreect e mail and phone number you will be contacted in due time
They pester you in the middle of the night asking
Please can I come to england?
will you be my sponsor?

I duly obliged signing a scribble signature but with a bogus e mail and phone number

learning all the time......


I didn't notice any of the bad stuff being referred to, although there were plenty of (unfunny) joke signatures, and enough people I trust did see unpleasant stuff for me to know that some pretty disgusting things were written. Shame on the culprits.

I agree with you totally George about not giving out addresses, e-mail addresses and phone numbers to strangers. That's just common sense really, but all I was ever asked for was a signature. All completely innocent, and something that's common on the subcontinent, especially in the kind of places that don't see many westerners. Bear in mind as well that the Barmy Army are famous throughout the cricket-playing world, and don't forget that the cult of celebrity is probably stronger on the subcontinent than it is anywhere else. Whether we like it or not therefore, when we travel to these places we must accept that we do so as minor celebrities, hence all the autograph hunters and (more intrusively) people shoving camera phones in our faces. It's all part of the subcontinent experience, and experiencing the subcontinent often does involve having to put up with things you don't necessarily enjoy along with the better things in life.

Autograph hunters if there are large numbers of them can get very wearing of course, but don't forget that there are also great benefits associated with our VIP status. We are generally treated favourably in Bangladesh, and very well looked after. As wounded_shoulder says, it's better to refuse to sign at all than write nasty stuff. Doing that reflects badly on all England fans, whether we (or the culprits) want to be associated with the Barmy Army name or not. And is it really so difficult to help make some young kid's or even older autograph hunter's day by giving a couple of seconds of your time to scribble a signature? It's different if you're being mobbed of course, but I never saw autograph hunting happen to that extent in Dhaka.
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ExpatAndy
Post subject: Re: Autograph signing etiquette
PostPosted: 09:28 on 30th Mar 2010

Joined: 18:47 on 30th May 2008
Posts: 173
Location: convict colony
Big Harvey Wrote:
Autograph hunters if there are large numbers of them can get very wearing of course, but don't forget that there are also great benefits associated with our VIP status. We are generally treated favourably in Bangladesh, and very well looked after. As wounded_shoulder says, it's better to refuse to sign at all than write nasty stuff. Doing that reflects badly on all England fans, whether we (or the culprits) want to be associated with the Barmy Army name or not. And is it really so difficult to help make some young kid's or even older autograph hunter's day by giving a couple of seconds of your time to scribble a signature? It's different if you're being mobbed of course, but I never saw autograph hunting happen to that extent in Dhaka.


It must be the same for the players getting mobbed by autograph hunters every game and fans wanting them to pose for photos. The shoe is on the other foot for those of us fans who hadn't experienced being on the other end of the pen before. No excuse for signing obscenities but i saw a few "ian botham" and "geoffrey boycott" signatures.
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GMH1
Post subject: Re: Autograph signing etiquette
PostPosted: 11:07 on 30th Mar 2010

Joined: 09:01 on 2nd Dec 2008
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It takes nothing does it to scribble your name on a piece of paper or have you a picture taken. We were surrounded by a crowd of kids a few times at the cricket who just want to practice speaking english. They were all incredibly polite and always asked if they were bothering us at all.
We were at the ticket kiosk on the fourth morning and there was an England supporter (a regular one from Barmy Army or whatever ) in front of us .He was surrounded by kids who were on the look out for a spare ticket.Without any irony at all ,he spun round to us and shouted 'watch out for these, they're worse than f*cking Africans'.As it turned out, it prompted us to by five 20 tk tickets and hand them out to the nippers. They ran off to the stand punching the air.
I loved Bangladesh , great tour and great people. Never felt mithered once.
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Eggmanfoo
Post subject: Re: Autograph signing etiquette
PostPosted: 14:42 on 1st Apr 2010

Joined: 13:35 on 20th May 2008
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Only on one occasion in the 100 tk lower stand did I see such abusive remarks signatures. Every possibilty that some will be viewed by english desh relatives or something, and there could be a brush tarring for a few of us, that need not have happened. We can not hide from the fact that some real wasters no doubt follow the cricket abroad,,and run the risk of giving us all a bad name......
And I am sure that someone who reads this may know who the culprits are, as the person who writes such things will no doubt brag of such successes, lets just hope that suitable advice is dished out......
Oh the english do know how to behave
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Huey Lad
Post subject: Re: Autograph signing etiquette
PostPosted: 14:51 on 1st Apr 2010

Joined: 18:02 on 23rd Apr 2008
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Eggmanfoo Wrote:
Only on one occasion in the 100 tk lower stand did I see such abusive remarks signatures. Every possibilty that some will be viewed by english desh relatives or something, and there could be a brush tarring for a few of us, that need not have happened. We can not hide from the fact that some real wasters no doubt follow the cricket abroad,,and run the risk of giving us all a bad name......
And I am sure that someone who reads this may know who the culprits are, as the person who writes such things will no doubt brag of such successes, lets just hope that suitable advice is dished out......
Oh the english do know how to behave


Or maybe the English Desh relative will be enlightened enough to realise that there are a smattering of idiots in all cultures and walks of life and that it would be folly to make a sweeping judgement of all England's travelling supporters based on someone scribbling something silly on a piece of paper.
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peado
Post subject: Re: Autograph signing etiquette
PostPosted: 06:24 on 2nd Apr 2010

Joined: 09:29 on 23rd Apr 2008
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Eggmanfoo Wrote:
We can not hide from the fact that some real wasters no doubt follow the cricket abroad,,and run the risk of giving us all a bad name......


It's not just cricket mate. The sort of people you are refering to, masquerade all over Europe causing drunken havoc. At times it makes you downright ashamed to be British.
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dazntfc
Post subject: Re: Autograph signing etiquette
PostPosted: 10:15 on 2nd Apr 2010

Joined: 10:08 on 10th May 2008
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peado Wrote:

It's not just cricket mate. The sort of people you are refering to, masquerade all over Europe causing drunken havoc. At times it makes you downright ashamed to be British.



Thank **** for that I'm English NOT British so things like that don't affect me.
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