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beners
Post subject: why do we only play well against good teams
PostPosted: 16:30 on 17th Mar 2011

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looks like wee will win this one and go on to the super eights three key players out and wee are on course to win this one so why cant we prouduce the same effort against ie ireland etc
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Crouchy
Post subject: Re: why do we only play well against good teams
PostPosted: 15:01 on 18th Mar 2011

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Ah, my pet theory:

England play well when they are the underdogs. They get confused when they are the better team.
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Richhufc
Post subject: Re: why do we only play well against good teams
PostPosted: 18:56 on 18th Mar 2011

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Crouchy Wrote:
Ah, my pet theory:

England play well when they are the underdogs. They get confused when they are the better team.


Ashes?
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Crouchy
Post subject: Re: why do we only play well against good teams
PostPosted: 11:04 on 19th Mar 2011

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Richhufc Wrote:
Crouchy Wrote:
Ah, my pet theory:

England play well when they are the underdogs. They get confused when they are the better team.


Ashes?


Yes, that is one example. England went into the Ashes as underdogs. England hadn't won in Australia since 1986-87, the last series was a 5-0 thrashing, our bowling attack was allegedly going to struggle on Australian pitches with a Kookaburra ball, and our batting was allegedly suspect.

What happened? England thrashed Australia 3-1, only losing in Perth when suddenly they became favourites to retain the Ashes.

After that, there was talk of "momentum" into the ODI series where England would surely "dominate" Australia... whoops, England favourites= poor performances.

I reckon England perform best when either a) they have been written off or b) they are coming off a poor performance
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Crouchy
Post subject: Re: why do we only play well against good teams
PostPosted: 11:04 on 19th Mar 2011

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Richhufc Wrote:
Crouchy Wrote:
Ah, my pet theory:

England play well when they are the underdogs. They get confused when they are the better team.


Ashes?


Ashes 2009, too? Headingly? England "finished", etc... they then turn in a great performance at the Oval.

Seriously mate, there are so many examples.
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Richhufc
Post subject: Re: why do we only play well against good teams
PostPosted: 13:33 on 19th Mar 2011

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Crouchy Wrote:
Richhufc Wrote:
Crouchy Wrote:
Ah, my pet theory:

England play well when they are the underdogs. They get confused when they are the better team.


Ashes?


Ashes 2009, too? Headingly? England "finished", etc... they then turn in a great performance at the Oval.

Seriously mate, there are so many examples.


Everyone I spoke to in Brisbane both Aussie and English prior to the Ashes 2010/11 believed England were favourites going into that series. We had the better bowlers and batsman all of whom were in great form after the warm up games. If your theroy is about past and present England teams, fair enough. But based on this current team I cannot agree with your theroy.

And the Oval 2009, as brilliant as that display was, was mainly thanks to winning a crucial toss.

EDIT - Your point is spot on about this current set up bouncing back from a poor display though.
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Crouchy
Post subject: Re: why do we only play well against good teams
PostPosted: 10:10 on 20th Mar 2011

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At Oval 2009. I had corporate on day one through work and Alec Stewart spoke to us. He said "win the toss, put 500 on the board, it's a great batting wicket out there". Just goes to show!
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wickets
Post subject: Re: why do we only play well against good teams
PostPosted: 07:51 on 28th Mar 2011

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ing seen the QF Mr Benners I would suggest that we don't play well against good teams.
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Crouchy
Post subject: Re: why do we only play well against good teams
PostPosted: 19:43 on 31st Mar 2011

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wickets Wrote:
ing seen the QF Mr Benners I would suggest that we don't play well against good teams.


Not on their home turf, in their home conditions, against their best team, with our team half-injured and half-knackered, no. They did well to haphazardly lurch that far.
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