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Minhosa
Post subject: Re: Cook OUT!
PostPosted: 08:46 on 11th Aug 2010

Joined: 08:07 on 21st Jul 2010
Posts: 112
Cook's form is the only real concern I have about the current England team, he doesn't look like getting runs at the moment also as Crouchy's shown above his record against the Aussies is pretty poor. Although it has to be said that despite the rest of the team's poor performance the Pakistan opening bowlers are world class.

Personally I can't see him being dropped especially as the team are winning, but think he has to get runs in the next test or Carberry, who's scoring runs for fun at the mo, should be given a go. I'd be loathed to promote Trott as in him we have a batsman that's performing in the number 3 slot which is something we've lacked for a while now.
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Riff
Post subject: Re: Cook OUT!
PostPosted: 09:47 on 11th Aug 2010

Joined: 12:38 on 12th Nov 2008
Posts: 754
Can't see him being dropped... but he should be.
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Hector
Post subject: Re: Cook OUT!
PostPosted: 09:59 on 11th Aug 2010

Joined: 19:34 on 29th May 2008
Posts: 1224
Location: Somerset
Huey Lad Wrote:

Or give your opening batsman of choice for the last few years the chance to make confidence restoring runs on a decent deck.


He may be your opening batsman of choice, but not mine or a lot of other peoples.

What is the point of giving him the chance to score easy runs against a disheartened Pakistan attack? He's never played well against the convicts, he's not playing well against anyone at the current time. By what logical measure does he deserve to be in the team?

We currently have 7 batsmen challenging for 6 spots. If common sense prevails and Ali C gets the chop I can't see a new man getting his spot. It will be a reshuffle of the current pack.
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pfletch88
Post subject: Re: Cook OUT!
PostPosted: 16:14 on 11th Aug 2010

Joined: 18:57 on 13th Jul 2010
Posts: 21
He's got to go in my opinion. As pointed out, his contributions against decent test teams in recent times have been almost non existent. If someone like Bell or Collingwood was displaying this kind of form they would be straight out of the team! I think the selectors are just afraid to make changes to the opening partnership, perhaps in the absence of any proven alternatives, and a reluctance to promote Trott to the top of the order.

Personally I'd give Carberry a go for the last 2 tests against Pakistan, and even if he fails miserably then we can promote Trott to open and have Pietersen at 3 for the Ashes.

Won't happen though, and no doubt Cook will get a scratchy 100 at the Oval and secure his place for another 12 months.
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Crouchy
Post subject: Re: Cook OUT!
PostPosted: 17:02 on 11th Aug 2010

Joined: 12:13 on 27th Apr 2008
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Location: London
pfletch88 Wrote:
He's got to go in my opinion. As pointed out, his contributions against decent test teams in recent times have been almost non existent. If someone like Bell or Collingwood was displaying this kind of form they would be straight out of the team! I think the selectors are just afraid to make changes to the opening partnership, perhaps in the absence of any proven alternatives, and a reluctance to promote Trott to the top of the order.

Personally I'd give Carberry a go for the last 2 tests against Pakistan, and even if he fails miserably then we can promote Trott to open and have Pietersen at 3 for the Ashes.

Won't happen though, and no doubt Cook will get a scratchy 100 at the Oval and secure his place for another 12 months.


Agree with all of the above, but he won't get a scratchy ton. He'll get out before that and no doubt continue to be picked.

Cook OUT!
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freethegerryone
Post subject: Re: Cook OUT!
PostPosted: 19:44 on 11th Aug 2010

Joined: 14:18 on 8th Dec 2008
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Agree with all of the above, but he won't get a scratchy ton. He'll get out before that and no doubt continue to be picked.

Cook OUT!



Spot on Crouchy!

What about Pietersen though?

I keep hearing from commentators that the management want Morgan cos "there's something they like about him". I think they reckon he's a replacement for Pietersen. Flamboyant, unpredictable (like Pietersen) but people actually like him. Can't see two players like that lasting in the same team for long. Strange that suddenly Buchanan appears on the scene after his slagging of Pietersen a few years ago.

Anyone for a conspiracy theory?
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Richhufc
Post subject: Re: Cook OUT!
PostPosted: 19:53 on 11th Aug 2010

Joined: 20:35 on 14th May 2008
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Location: Hereford
Chuff me there's some rubbish written on this thread.

Cook has hundreds abroad in Australia, India, South Africa and Sri Lanka. So that makes bulls*t of the quotes 'never done well against Australia' or 'decent test teams in recent times' (Durban, anyone?)

As for the KP / Morgan comment. What a load of rubbish.

Nothing more to add.
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Burnhope
Post subject: Re: Cook OUT!
PostPosted: 20:41 on 11th Aug 2010

Joined: 18:05 on 30th Mar 2009
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Location: Oxford
To be fair:
Versus M Inns NO 50s 100s HS Runs Avg Ca St
Australia 10 19 0 1 1 116 498 26.21 9 0
Bangladesh 4 7 1 0 2 173 401 66.83 1 0
India 7 14 1 4 1 *104 527 40.54 5 0
New Zealand 6 10 0 2 0 61 308 30.80 11 0
Pakistan 6 11 0 1 2 127 444 40.36 5 0
South Africa 8 14 0 6 1 118 616 44.00 6 0
Sri Lanka 6 11 1 3 1 118 453 45.30 3 0
West Indies 11 19 3 5 4 160 991 61.94 10 0
Overall (8) 58 105 6 22 12 173 4238 42.81 50 0

He does have a good record against South Africa and India, Australia is pretty dismal. He is out of form.

That Pietersen - Morgan comment was quite obsurded
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pfletch88
Post subject: Re: Cook OUT!
PostPosted: 21:45 on 11th Aug 2010

Joined: 18:57 on 13th Jul 2010
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Richhufc Wrote:
Cook has hundreds abroad in Australia, India, South Africa and Sri Lanka. So that makes bulls*t of the quotes 'never done well against Australia' or 'decent test teams in recent times' (Durban, anyone?)



Durban was one good innings, but he surely can't dine out on it forever.

Since the beginning of the last Ashes he has averaged a shade above 36. Take out Bangladesh and it becomes 26.8

He needs a score at the Oval or he's gone
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Huey Lad
Post subject: Re: Cook OUT!
PostPosted: 08:23 on 12th Aug 2010

Joined: 18:02 on 23rd Apr 2008
Posts: 664
Burnhope Wrote:
To be fair:
Versus M Inns NO 50s 100s HS Runs Avg Ca St
Australia 10 19 0 1 1 116 498 26.21 9 0
Bangladesh 4 7 1 0 2 173 401 66.83 1 0
India 7 14 1 4 1 *104 527 40.54 5 0
New Zealand 6 10 0 2 0 61 308 30.80 11 0
Pakistan 6 11 0 1 2 127 444 40.36 5 0
South Africa 8 14 0 6 1 118 616 44.00 6 0
Sri Lanka 6 11 1 3 1 118 453 45.30 3 0
West Indies 11 19 3 5 4 160 991 61.94 10 0
Overall (8) 58 105 6 22 12 173 4238 42.81 50 0

He does have a good record against South Africa and India, Australia is pretty dismal. He is out of form.

That Pietersen - Morgan comment was quite obsurded


James Anderson 5 wickets @ 82.60 in Australia, shall we leave him at home?

Drop Cook because he averages 26.81 against Australia, unforgiveable that. Move Trott up the order to open and slot Ian Bell into the middle order.

Ian Bell who averages 25.68 against Australia!

If any test nation in the last 20 years disregarded a player because he had an ordinary record against the Aussies you'd barely fill a Rest of the World XI let alone one for each country!
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