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Richhufc
Post subject: Re: Cook OUT!
PostPosted: 11:54 on 21st Aug 2010

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Crouchy Wrote:
Richhufc Wrote:
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One swallow does not a summer make!


Nobody is saying that. But your COOK OUT over the top rubbish opens yourself up for mocking. 13 test hundreds including tons overseas in India, Australia, South Africa and Sri lanka all show he isn't a 'one swallow' player.


Plenty of people seem to be saying in an equally over the top way that one innings means that we forget a run of poor form that has lasted all summer and arguably much longer than that.

Mocking? Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft.

As I said in Barnsley a few weeks ago and at the start of this thread in teeny tiny text, Cook won't be dropped no matter how bad his run of form is - because everyone in the England setup thinks he's great. My point is that Cook's position in the team has been guaranteed for too long, while the media bleat on about Trott OUT and KP OUT and <insert-name-here>OUT. No doubt Morgan will start getting it after this match, and Bell must be pleased! By doing nothing, he looks a better batsman doesn't he?

Anyway, let's close this off by saying that we all hope Cook kicks on from here, gets another ton in the final Test and finally scores some big runs against Australia this winter. That's what is important here, no?


So you'll agree that the 'COOK OUT' line you spouted was OTT?

Surely the BA ethos is to support players when the chips are down.....especially ones thought so highly of by a management and selection panel that has worked wonders in the last 18 months? Strange how you seem happy to support him now he has a hundred to his name ;)

And as for Bell - he is a fantastic player in or out of the side. His runs under pressure in SA proved that he could score runs when it mattered (which I thankfully predicted he wouldn't achieve!)
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Richhufc
Post subject: Re: Cook OUT!
PostPosted: 11:57 on 21st Aug 2010

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If you look at the ICC rankings, KP is the only batsman in the top 20. Cook is the 6th best English batsman at No 33, with Trott and Morgan still building up their points. Logic suggests that you cut from the bottom, so it should be Cook out first.


I would fathom in at least ten other factors before even looking at the ICC rankings. Remember, they are the same idiots that 'forgot' to put Swann on the player of the year shortlist!

Is the retired Shane Bond still 3rd in the test bowler rankings by the way?
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Crouchy
Post subject: Re: Cook OUT!
PostPosted: 12:36 on 21st Aug 2010

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Richhufc Wrote:
Hector Wrote:
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If you look at the ICC rankings, KP is the only batsman in the top 20. Cook is the 6th best English batsman at No 33, with Trott and Morgan still building up their points. Logic suggests that you cut from the bottom, so it should be Cook out first.


I would fathom in at least ten other factors before even looking at the ICC rankings. Remember, they are the same idiots that 'forgot' to put Swann on the player of the year shortlist!

Is the retired Shane Bond still 3rd in the test bowler rankings by the way?


Good point.
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Riff
Post subject: Re: Cook OUT!
PostPosted: 16:40 on 21st Aug 2010

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I don't think we'll see many changes at all in this side going to the Ashes and frankly I wouldn't like to see too many.

One of the problems is that none of our top order batsmen are outstanding - arguably we're not as good a side as we were in 2005 - and it's debateable how we compare to 2009.

The good thing is the Aussies aren't anything like as good as they have been so they will struggle to knock us over if we are diligent.
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Crouchy
Post subject: Re: Cook OUT!
PostPosted: 18:41 on 21st Aug 2010

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Riff Wrote:
I don't think we'll see many changes at all in this side going to the Ashes and frankly I wouldn't like to see too many.

One of the problems is that none of our top order batsmen are outstanding - arguably we're not as good a side as we were in 2005 - and it's debateable how we compare to 2009.

The good thing is the Aussies aren't anything like as good as they have been so they will struggle to knock us over if we are diligent.


The bad news is that England are nowhere near as good as they were in 2005. The good news is that Australia are in an even worse position. I think that in a number of positions England clearly have the better players (Strauss, Swann, Prior, Pietersen, Collingwood) and in Swann have a genuine match-winning bowler. Australia don't have that any more, with McGrath and Warne gone.

I think England are as good as they were in 2009. It's been said in a separate thread that England have had success over the past six or seven years copying the Australian model of Consistency Come What May, and that in an ideal world Strauss would like to field in Brisbane the same XI that won at the Oval - with the exceptions of Flintoff and Harmison, of course.
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Huey Lad
Post subject: Re: Cook OUT!
PostPosted: 13:01 on 22nd Aug 2010

Joined: 18:02 on 23rd Apr 2008
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Richhufc Wrote:
Hector Wrote:
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If you look at the ICC rankings, KP is the only batsman in the top 20. Cook is the 6th best English batsman at No 33, with Trott and Morgan still building up their points. Logic suggests that you cut from the bottom, so it should be Cook out first.


I would fathom in at least ten other factors before even looking at the ICC rankings. Remember, they are the same idiots that 'forgot' to put Swann on the player of the year shortlist!

Is the retired Shane Bond still 3rd in the test bowler rankings by the way?


Monty is 17 places above Ajmal.
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Crouchy
Post subject: Re: Cook OUT!
PostPosted: 13:27 on 22nd Aug 2010

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Huey, if Ajmal takes a stack of wickets at Lords can you see his action being referred again?

Last I heard Monty was batting up the order for Sussex 2nd XI and not taking many wickets.
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Bazzwick
Post subject: Re: Cook OUT!
PostPosted: 13:42 on 22nd Aug 2010

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Crouchy Wrote:

Last I heard Monty was batting up the order for Sussex 2nd XI and not taking many wickets.


On the contrary , he has been bowling well for Sussex in recent weeks after a shaky start and was highly praised last week after an excellent performance vs Derbyshire.

TMS opinion in the week was that he will go to Australia as the second spin bowler ahead of Rashid and Tredwell.
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Crouchy
Post subject: Re: Cook OUT!
PostPosted: 14:24 on 22nd Aug 2010

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Bazzwick Wrote:
Crouchy Wrote:

Last I heard Monty was batting up the order for Sussex 2nd XI and not taking many wickets.


On the contrary , he has been bowling well for Sussex in recent weeks after a shaky start and was highly praised last week after an excellent performance vs Derbyshire.

TMS opinion in the week was that he will go to Australia as the second spin bowler ahead of Rashid and Tredwell.


Then a Monty OUT thread may well be necessary.
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Huey Lad
Post subject: Re: Cook OUT!
PostPosted: 15:44 on 22nd Aug 2010

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Monty took 1-61 for Bexhill in the Sussex League last Saturday, the Aussies will be cacking themselves!
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