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the.fat.controller
Post subject: Re: Ravi's back
PostPosted: 12:13 on 20th Jul 2012

Joined: 04:09 on 27th Nov 2010
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Quack quack! Just picked up the scores from an Internet cafe in Germany.

I hope I am wrong about Ravi, but I really have to wonder how many chances a person needs. Like Graham Hick and Mark Ramprakash (both of whom had the raw talent to achieve far more than they did), if you are dropped from a team on several occasions, there has to be a reason why.

Ravi clearly has the raw talent to achieve great things, but he has never really shown the application to perform when the chips are down.

As I have said on numerous occasions, I would change the balance of the side, bat Prior at 6 and run with a 5-man attack. A 6-7-8-9 of Prior-Bresnan-Broad-Swann is a strong enough lower middle order and we need to balance our strengths. We have massive talent reserves in the fast bowling department and should be using them to the max.
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addtamx
Post subject: Re: Ravi's back
PostPosted: 00:24 on 22nd Jul 2012

Joined: 21:02 on 9th May 2008
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Location: Australia
Richard Wrote:

It's not as if we're struggling to bowl teams out with four bowlers.


You were saying :P

Hindsight's a wonderful thing and it's easy to say this now, but this test highlights exactly what I was meaning. We got a duck out of our 6th batsmen and now we've got Swanny who is carrying an injury bowling 40 overs, and Jimmy and Broad approaching 30......and all with a lot more work to do yet.

We might very well still be in the shit if Finn had played, but at least the work load would have been shared around.
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Hector
Post subject: Re: Ravi's back
PostPosted: 11:13 on 29th Jul 2012

Joined: 19:34 on 29th May 2008
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Location: Somerset
Hector Wrote:
Predicted by most people, so no great suprise. Takes Bairstow's place (no great suprise either).

I guess he's in because of his one day form. Since his test 100 in 2009 Bopara has had 9 test innings averaging less than 20. In his last 9 one day games he averages over 60.

Drinking at the last chance saloon (again)?


Only lasted 1 test.

Ravi out of the second test for 'personal' reasons, Taylor in

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/19035317
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blueandy1mac
Post subject: Re: Ravi's back
PostPosted: 11:24 on 29th Jul 2012

Joined: 12:30 on 14th Jul 2008
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Location: Preston UK
If Taylor gets a chance AND takes it, could be that Ravi has had it for good. I know there's a lot of people on here who do'nt rate him, but it would be a sad way to bow out.
Hopefully the 'personal reasons' are'nt too serious.
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Hector
Post subject: Re: Ravi's back
PostPosted: 13:54 on 29th Jul 2012

Joined: 19:34 on 29th May 2008
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Location: Somerset
Englands selection policy looks all over the place.

Taylor was captain of the A team over the winter and was suposed to be next in line for a test spot. Bairstow got the No 6 spot against the Windies despite doing nothing on the winter tour. When Bairstow failed Bopara comes in despite having no recent 4 day form to speak of.

Taylor is a proper batsman, rather than a glorified all rounder, so hopefully he will be sucessful.
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addtamx
Post subject: Re: Ravi's back
PostPosted: 08:41 on 30th Jul 2012

Joined: 21:02 on 9th May 2008
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Location: Australia
blueandy1mac Wrote:
Hopefully the 'personal reasons' are'nt too serious.


Yeah agreed, but you'd think it would be something serious/extremely important, because as you say, this decision could well put an end to his test career if Taylor takes his opportunity and runs with it.

Personally I wish Ravi well but he's never really cut it for mine, since we seem determined not to play 5 bowlers I'd rather see a young up and comer like Taylor given a shot rather than rehashing the tried and failed like RB. Harsh but true.
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Big Harvey
Post subject: Re: Ravi's back
PostPosted: 05:18 on 31st Jul 2012

Joined: 09:14 on 23rd Apr 2008
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricke ... -out.html#

Rather harsh I feel.

Ravi's withdrawal was hardly "at the 11th hour."

Maybe Mr. Pringle has an inside track on his reasons for pulling out, but the assertion that "most employers don't have staff not turning up for work just because there's a problem at home" strikes me as complete and utter nonsense.

I've long had strong doubts as to whether Ravi would ever make a successful Test player, but his credentials in one day cricket are indisputable. Unless his reasons for pulling out are extremely trivial or as the result of a falling out with the coach or other members of the England set-up I really don't see how this puts his international career in jeopardy.
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blueandy1mac
Post subject: Re: Ravi's back
PostPosted: 17:14 on 31st Jul 2012

Joined: 12:30 on 14th Jul 2008
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Just another balanced, well constructed piece from that purveyor of the truth and man of the people that is Dimmock Pringle.

Bet his 'mate' gave him the 'insider info', which we all know is often a euphemism for "I made it up". Who in their right mind would tell him anything, particularly in confidence.
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addtamx
Post subject: Re: Ravi's back
PostPosted: 23:22 on 31st Jul 2012

Joined: 21:02 on 9th May 2008
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Location: Australia
Big Harvey Wrote:


I've long had strong doubts as to whether Ravi would ever make a successful Test player, but his credentials in one day cricket are indisputable. Unless his reasons for pulling out are extremely trivial or as the result of a falling out with the coach or other members of the England set-up I really don't see how this puts his international career in jeopardy.


Spot on H. Ravi's ODI spot is just about as secure as anyone's, so to say his International career is in jeopardy is a huge stretch of the reality.

I'm quite sure he knows as well as anyone that his test berth is precariously balanced, and by opting out of this test he may never get back in. It's his choice to make and I'm sure he's weighed it all up and understands the ramifications.

Whatever it is that's keeping him out must be extremely important to him and some people would do well to remember that there are more important things in life than cricket.
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blueandy1mac
Post subject: Re: Ravi's back
PostPosted: 09:23 on 1st Aug 2012

Joined: 12:30 on 14th Jul 2008
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Location: Preston UK
Good points there. We don't have any right to know his reasons, but those who do will decide whether it should have repurcussions regarding his test future.
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