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Post subject: Anyone else chuckling away to themselves?
PostPosted: 00:57 on 4th Jan 2013

Joined: 22:49 on 30th Apr 2008
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Location: Swindon
India 0 - 2 Pakistan.
With one to go.
Zindabad Pakistan.
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bishbash
Post subject: Re: Anyone else chuckling away to themselves?
PostPosted: 08:10 on 4th Jan 2013

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No i dont like or trust pakistan. At least it suggests they were trying, but will they be next time?
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nam
Post subject: Re: Anyone else chuckling away to themselves?
PostPosted: 21:04 on 4th Jan 2013

Joined: 17:06 on 2nd Jan 2013
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Pakistan are an enigma.They have the potential I think to be top team in world cricket at both test and odi level but have this habit of gettting involved in controversy . After what happened they will always be viewed with suspicion with whatever they do on a cricket field. Sad really they have the talent.
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Post subject: Re: Anyone else chuckling away to themselves?
PostPosted: 00:22 on 5th Jan 2013

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Cynical buggers.
May I remind you that English cricket has a long tradition of corruption?

As I have had the pleasure of quite enough dealings with the likes of the BCCI, Indian immigration Nazi's, Kyazoonga, oh and the bollocks that is getting a visa in the first place......I enjoyed it.
Especially when they get a bad decision and can't refer it!
Arrogant "we've got all the money" twats.

And just on a cricketing level they won't be feeling too happy about the England visit, as we already know, our bowlers (all types) are much better than theirs.

Don't normaly do pyjama cricket but am looking forward to this.
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bishbash
Post subject: Re: Anyone else chuckling away to themselves?
PostPosted: 13:36 on 5th Jan 2013

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Read a book about the bombay mafia over the last sixty years when i was out there. Was largely run by moslems, the head honcho, Dawood, is now an exile in Pakistan and is apparently involved in match fixing. Does reading one book make me an expert? No. But Ive always thought the country is corrupt from the top down and it is hardly surprising that their players are involved in match fixing. Of course I feel sorry for Amir and to a lesser extent others, they dont make loads of money from tests and are banned from the riches of ipl but it wont stop me from n ever trusting them. Who knows how threatened they are... Remember that zulqadar haider (sp.) episode? It was blindingly obvious in that test v aus 2009/10, and they were likely up to it in the wc semifinal imo.

It isnt blind cynicism. I would love to see a clean, competitive Pakistan team as they clearly have oodles of natural talent and currently the only competitive teams are England, a dubious Pakistan, Saffers and at a push Australia. We need a clean Pakistan big time, but Not if we cant trust them.
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Post subject: Re: Anyone else chuckling away to themselves?
PostPosted: 22:12 on 5th Jan 2013

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You'll never see a clean Pakistan team if you don't give them a chance.
They could be as pure as freshly driven snow but you'll think them to be up to something because you have that in your head.

BTW, do you realy think that Indian cricket, especially the IPL crap isn't corrupt?
And not a Pakistani anywhere near it!
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Post subject: Re: Anyone else chuckling away to themselves?
PostPosted: 22:15 on 5th Jan 2013

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BTW Bishbash, was the book Maximum City or Shantaram?
Both good, Maximum City is better.
In my humble opinion.
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Big Harvey
Post subject: Re: Anyone else chuckling away to themselves?
PostPosted: 01:21 on 6th Jan 2013

Joined: 09:14 on 23rd Apr 2008
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bishbash Wrote:
Read a book about the bombay mafia over the last sixty years when i was out there. Was largely run by moslems, the head honcho, Dawood, is now an exile in Pakistan and is apparently involved in match fixing. Does reading one book make me an expert? No. But Ive always thought the country is corrupt from the top down and it is hardly surprising that their players are involved in match fixing. Of course I feel sorry for Amir and to a lesser extent others, they dont make loads of money from tests and are banned from the riches of ipl but it wont stop me from n ever trusting them. Who knows how threatened they are... Remember that zulqadar haider (sp.) episode? It was blindingly obvious in that test v aus 2009/10, and they were likely up to it in the wc semifinal imo.

It isnt blind cynicism. I would love to see a clean, competitive Pakistan team as they clearly have oodles of natural talent and currently the only competitive teams are England, a dubious Pakistan, Saffers and at a push Australia. We need a clean Pakistan big time, but Not if we cant trust them.


The Haider episode looked to me to be a cynical attempt by a naive young man to get "asylum" for himself and his family in the UK, and I doubt that story had anything whatsoever to do with actual match fixing.

Re. the Test v Aus, it seemed dodgy at the time, and seems even dodgier in the light of subsequent events.

Some Pakistan fans think the World Cup Semi Final was fixed, but it seems unlikely to me that such a thing could happen in a high profile game like that so soon after their three team mates were caught red-handed. Pakistan fans and media love a good conspiracy theory, and I reckon much of it was about being in denial about being beaten fair and square.

Of course, everything Pakistan do for the foreseeable future is going to be under the spotlight, and that's only natural. Whether I personally trust them or not though, their victories against India did make me smile. The best way for them to cast off the cloud of suspicion is to keep winning, and I can't think of anyone I want to see beaten more than India at the moment.

Not only do they have the BCCI and the IPL, but they also have by far the largest and most annoying army of 14 year old internet trolls.
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bishbash
Post subject: Re: Anyone else chuckling away to themselves?
PostPosted: 07:34 on 6th Jan 2013

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Wickets.... Was called "from Dongri to Dubai" Dawood eventually got ejected drom Dubai too, was allegedly involved in the 1993 bombay bombs too so went from two bit slum racketeer to international terrorist, son of a copper too.

Agree about the 14 year old internet trolls Harvey, they do my head in and some of them have done their very best to ruin the (once best cricket forum on the web imo) betfair criket forum over the past few years. Having said that Pak just always seem to cheat whether it is match fixing, ball tampering, dodgy umps or just walking off like petulant children and forfeiting a match. We gave them a chance to play in England in 2010 (v Aus) and look how they repaid us, not as if they hadnt been given a lot of chances.
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Big Harvey
Post subject: Re: Anyone else chuckling away to themselves?
PostPosted: 09:04 on 6th Jan 2013

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bishbash Wrote:
Wickets.... Was called "from Dongri to Dubai" Dawood eventually got ejected drom Dubai too, was allegedly involved in the 1993 bombay bombs too so went from two bit slum racketeer to international terrorist, son of a copper too.

Agree about the 14 year old internet trolls Harvey, they do my head in and some of them have done their very best to ruin the (once best cricket forum on the web imo) betfair criket forum over the past few years. Having said that Pak just always seem to cheat whether it is match fixing, ball tampering, dodgy umps or just walking off like petulant children and forfeiting a match. We gave them a chance to play in England in 2010 (v Aus) and look how they repaid us, not as if they hadnt been given a lot of chances.


With the "ball tampering," the 2006 incident cast a shadow over a series that had been played in an excellent spirit. I agree that the Pakistan team's reaction was way over the top, but (like the ball tampering allegation itself) I think that had a lot to do with the identity of the umpire involved. Anyway, Sky's cameras were on the ball throughout the day, and not a single example of anything untoward was revealed, so I doubt the allegation had any foundation whatsoever. Yes, I know they had "previous" (from a few years back), but then again so did England.
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