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Cuthbert Rizla
Post subject: CONGRATULATIONS AUSTRALIA
PostPosted: 09:08 on 5th Jan 2014

Joined: 20:14 on 21st Mar 2012
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A tip of the hat to Australia for a superb exhibition of controlled and aggressive Test cricket which totally blew away a moribund England side.

To use the same 11 players throughout the series is also a testament to the organisation and skill of their backroom staff.

It's been really enjoyable to watch England get their comeuppance - in Mitchell Johnson's case revenge has been a dish best served fiery hot.

England have plenty of soul-searching to do and Swann should hang his head in shame after his cowardly act of desertion.

Enjoy your Ashes success while it lasts - we'll be taking them back in 2015.
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stonesfan
Post subject: Re: CONGRATULATIONS AUSTRALIA
PostPosted: 12:16 on 5th Jan 2014

Joined: 23:40 on 9th Feb 2013
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Sadly I agree with all of this. English sport needs a dig in the ribs every so often to get them out of their comfort zone. If theres one thing we English specialise in its denial and hindsight.

Bar Stokes and Broad, not one player worthy of the shirt.......

Congratulations to Australia though. Believed in themselves and carried on from the promise last summer.
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spikeyboy
Post subject: Re: CONGRATULATIONS AUSTRALIA
PostPosted: 18:25 on 5th Jan 2014

Joined: 20:00 on 26th Jul 2008
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Well done to Mitchell Johnson...4 years ago he seemed to have lost it,throwing balls here,there and everywhere
He's become a good bowler or re-discovered his mojo and turned in a very good series
Just a shame he's 32 and will retire soon ????? :D :D :D :D :D :D
Well done Aussies
P.S. please keep the urn safe for we'll need it back soon...don't forget it's only on 'borrow' :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Big Harvey
Post subject: Re: CONGRATULATIONS AUSTRALIA
PostPosted: 19:02 on 5th Jan 2014

Joined: 09:14 on 23rd Apr 2008
Posts: 2356
I have to confess to a great deal of new-found admiration for Super Mitch. The stick we gave him was probably unprecedented, and to come back from all that humiliation and rub our noses in it took character the like of which can rarely have been seen on a sports field.

Chris Rogers, who seemed to be regarded as a joke selection in some quarters silenced the doubters, although I doubt many Middlesex fans who have seen him play regularly fell into that category. Harris was superb, and even Steven Smith has shocked me by actually looking like a Test player.

Credit where it's due.
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samcrewe
Post subject: Re: CONGRATULATIONS AUSTRALIA
PostPosted: 02:29 on 6th Jan 2014

Joined: 20:35 on 23rd Apr 2008
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I congratulate Australia on a number of areas. Their desire to stick the boot in when already regaining the Ashes is something foreign to the British mentality. Rather than sit back and regale, they went for the kill and you could see clearly that anything less than a 5-0 whitewash would be unacceptable.

I also congratulate their bowling. They all complimented each other tremendously. Super Mitch really did earn that mantle. He has never once bowled this consistently. Even at his height of breaking Smith's hand (twice) he was not this consistent. Even at the seamers' cemetery that is Adelaide he was lethal! I still reserve judgement on whether he is a great bowler until I have seen him deliver the same performances in other conditions and other countries. Nearly all of his wickets were as a result of bounce or fear of bounce. Not everywhere in the world will help him in that dept.

The only area where Aus really were quite poor and probably matched Eng was in the batting dept. We had them 5 down for about as many runs as we were in most of the tests. The difference was Brad Haddin and the tail. There was a good article on Cricinfo last week stating that Haddin will not always rescue the Aussies and used the 47 all out in SA as an example of this. Haddin, in my opinion is a flat track bully who tends to plunder runs well in Aus, but outside of Aus conditions fails miserably. For me, he was Aus' man of the series simply because he got the Aussies out of so many holes, that without him, the Aussies would have made just as many runs as England.

Still don't buy into the hype around Davey Warner. For me he is still just a limited overs cricketer. If you look at all his runs in this series, they were nearly all in the second innings when Aus already had a decent lead and he had license to play in one-day mode. In short, all the other batsmen had done the hard work in the first innings. Until he can show a consistent approach to accumulating runs in the first innings and helping Aus build a big total to win a match then he will always just be a limited overs cricketer

Weldone Aus, but beware, your batting is still very average, but your bowling is fantastic!
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whiteensign
Post subject: Re: CONGRATULATIONS AUSTRALIA
PostPosted: 07:31 on 6th Jan 2014

Joined: 22:13 on 23rd Apr 2008
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Location: Redditch/Sydney
samcrewe Wrote:
I congratulate Australia on a number of areas. Their desire to stick the boot in when already regaining the Ashes is something foreign to the British mentality. Rather than sit back and regale, they went for the kill and you could see clearly that anything less than a 5-0 whitewash would be unacceptable.

Totally agree, congratulations to Australia, totally slaughtered us!!! The signs were there in the summer, 3-0 was a bit of a false scoreline, unfortunately 5-0 in this series was not a false result!!!

samcrewe Wrote:
The only area where Aus really were quite poor and probably matched Eng was in the batting dept. We had them 5 down for about as many runs as we were in most of the tests. The difference was Brad Haddin and the tail.

I think you're giving us some undeserved credit here, the average scores at the fall of the 5th wicket throughout the series were Australia 191.75 and England 137.3 and that's not including Australia's 231 for 2 in Melbourne and 132 for 3 in Adelaide!!!!

samcrewe Wrote:
Still don't buy into the hype around Davey Warner. For me he is still just a limited overs cricketer. If you look at all his runs in this series, they were nearly all in the second innings when Aus already had a decent lead and he had license to play in one-day mode. In short, all the other batsmen had done the hard work in the first innings.


I'm not a fan of Warner myself, but I do have to give him credit in this series, he's averaged 58.11. Like you point out, he has scored less runs in the first innings, but he does still average 32.6 there, which is higher than all the England batting averages (in total) bar Stokes!!!

I have spent a long time trying to find a stat that we've beat the aussies on this series, and as of yet i've drawn a blank :(

One last point I will make, and I don't want to but a dampener on the aussies success, but I think it's fair to say that only maybe Michael Clarke from this team would've got into their team of 2006/07!!! I don't think any of Johnson, Haddin and Siddle would get the nod ahead of McGrath, Lee and Gillespie, Haddin wouldn't/couldn't get in ahead of Gilchrist!!!
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blueandy1mac
Post subject: Re: CONGRATULATIONS AUSTRALIA
PostPosted: 18:01 on 6th Jan 2014

Joined: 12:30 on 14th Jul 2008
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Location: Preston UK
Yeh credit where credits due, the best team (by far) won by a country mile.
I think looking for positives from this series is almost without merit. Any that you may find (doubtful) merely look acceptable next to the lamentable figures they are compared with in the rest of the team. Stokes can probably sit comfortably in club class on the way home, the rest should be back in cattle apologising.
I would have been much happier if the coach and captain had taken a little time for reflection before their strident vows to carry on. I think a conversation/debrief with the selectors and ECB management might just have given them a more balanced appraisal of their futures.
Whatever happened to the days where individuals accepted their responsibility when things went terribly wrong? In a roundabout way only Swann has done the 'decent thing'.
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Cuthbert Rizla
Post subject: Re: CONGRATULATIONS AUSTRALIA
PostPosted: 19:56 on 6th Jan 2014

Joined: 20:14 on 21st Mar 2012
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At least the England players who remained until the end of a tour they were contracted to and handsomely rewarded for are travelling home together.

Whatever Swann's reasons his timing was disloyal and disgraceful and for me the lowest point of a very bad tour.

Okay, so he was at the point where he felt he couldn't contribute any more on the field. In that case stay on to help the others including those taking his place and offer supoport to the younger,more inexperienced players.

To prefer to spend his time tanning his arse on a beach with his family instead of trying his damndest to the bitter end smacks of self-interest and selfishness.

Andy Flower said he was disappointed at Swann's decision - I bet privately he was furious.
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samcrewe
Post subject: Re: CONGRATULATIONS AUSTRALIA
PostPosted: 21:51 on 6th Jan 2014

Joined: 20:35 on 23rd Apr 2008
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whiteensign Wrote:
I think you're giving us some undeserved credit here, the average scores at the fall of the 5th wicket throughout the series were Australia 191.75 and England 137.3 and that's not including Australia's 231 for 2 in Melbourne and 132 for 3 in Adelaide!!!!


...those are combined innings stats though right? They cannot possibly be their first innings stats you have listed.

...in fact, I've just looked up the averages for 5th wicket fall in the first innings and England were on average 123.8, whereas Aus were 141.8. In fact, even more interestingly, before the Sydney test, England were actually beating Aus for the fall of the fifth wicket average in the first innings.

I know stats lie a lot, but in a series where all bar one test they were decided in the first innings and laid the platform for the likes of Warner to play in ODI style, this is quite an important stat.

It tells a number of stories. It tells me that Aus have a number of batsmen in the top order incapable of building an innings, sure they are capable of sticking the boot in once a lead has been cemented, but their top 5 failed consistently in the first innings in their own back yard. It also tells me that our maligned bowling attack probably were not doing as badly as many critiques are suggesting. In fact, I would go so far as to say that they were probably bowling just as well as they have on every other away tour of the last few years. In previous tours our attack would have gotten the rest of the order out cheaply. In this tour our tactics to the tail were awful

...and then there is Brad Haddin. Their Ian Bell, who without those two men, the respective Ashes series could possibly have gone the other way.

Don't for one second think I am making excuses here, I am just trying to point out a balance that Aus really weren't that much better than England. Like I did when we won 3-0, I predicted this result in Aus, knowing that home advantage and our batting woes, which were still to be accepted by the masses were going to result in our downfall.
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