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stonesfan
Post subject: First Test Victory: The Verdicts Thread :)
PostPosted: 14:34 on 14th Jul 2013

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Should we really be that surprised by how close this game was? England now have a big reputation for starting a series poorly, so a close game today had an element of inevitability about it. Australia have probably over achieved in this Test Match, mainly through sheer effort determination. There has also been a siege mentality in the Australian camp of which often brings out the best in players. However, whether you can maintain this over a series is open to debate.

So should we be concerned? Not really. Maybe 1 change in personnel required and little bit more respect for the ability of the Australians. Not wishing to make him a scapegoat, but Finn has been poor all season and Bresnan or Onions would surely be a more reliable proposition even if they have not really been crying out for selection.

Batting aptitude needs to step up a gear throughout though. Would stick with the same personnel even if they have probably been 50 runs short in both innings.

Outlook? Still on for convincing series win if we can bat with more consistency. Bowling, minus Finn, looks in good enough shape at the moment.
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bishbash
Post subject: Re: First Test Victory: The Verdicts Thread :)
PostPosted: 16:56 on 14th Jul 2013

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Finn for anyone. 5-0still well on.
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fernando
Post subject: Re: First Test Victory: The Verdicts Thread :)
PostPosted: 18:05 on 14th Jul 2013

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An excellent Test Match. The Aussies nearly got there,but we've got Jimmy Anderson. What a cricketer he is. Nearly another 1st Test slip up. We definately will improve,i don't think the Aussies can go up a few more notches.
Roll on Thursday.
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blueandy1mac
Post subject: Re: First Test Victory: The Verdicts Thread :)
PostPosted: 22:30 on 14th Jul 2013

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Found it a bit boring personally. When do the one dayers start ?
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addtamx
Post subject: Re: First Test Victory: The Verdicts Thread :)
PostPosted: 23:45 on 14th Jul 2013

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blueandy1mac Wrote:
Found it a bit boring personally. When do the one dayers start ?



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Excellent test match and it's great to have got over the line. As others have said, England will improve throughout the series, not sure the Cons can.....I think that was just about their A game in this one and they're still 1 zip down.

Finn out for Lords got to be, and I'd still bring back Compton and move Root back to 6 but can't see that one happening.

My only other concern is Jimmy and his workload. Cook had no choice but to bowl him into the ground yesterday but we've got 10 tests we've got to get him through. No Jimmy.....no England is the harsh reality.
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peado
Post subject: Re: First Test Victory: The Verdicts Thread :)
PostPosted: 06:58 on 15th Jul 2013

Joined: 09:29 on 23rd Apr 2008
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addtamx Wrote:
My only other concern is Jimmy and his workload. Cook had no choice but to bowl him into the ground yesterday but we've got 10 tests we've got to get him through. No Jimmy.....no England is the harsh reality.

What you are saying then, is that without Jimmy the bowling attack has no chance of taking 20 wickets. And subsequently not capable of winning a test match. I have to admit that I agree with you. This is not the great England side everybody thinks it is.
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addtamx
Post subject: Re: First Test Victory: The Verdicts Thread :)
PostPosted: 09:28 on 15th Jul 2013

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peado Wrote:
What you are saying then, is that without Jimmy the bowling attack has no chance of taking 20 wickets. And subsequently not capable of winning a test match. I have to admit that I agree with you. This is not the great England side everybody thinks it is.


Does anyone here actually think we are a great side though?? I know the media has been spouting a lot of bollocks but I haven't see any of us talking the team up to a standard they are not.

Unless any of Bresnan, Onions or Tremlett can come in and perform at their very best then our bowling stocks are definitely limited. There is no way at all we are as good as we were 2 years ago with both bat and ball and I've said before at the end of these 10 tests I can honestly see us having lost the Ashes.

Don't think we'll be handing them over in this leg though.
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peado
Post subject: Re: First Test Victory: The Verdicts Thread :)
PostPosted: 10:09 on 15th Jul 2013

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addtamx Wrote:
Don't think we'll be handing them over in this leg though.

Agreed. Can't see them winning 3 of the next 4 tests. Mainly because our batting is better than theirs. But when it comes to bowling, I think the Aussie bowling attack is much better than ours. When you put the two together there's not much between the two of them.
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Airliebird9
Post subject: Re: First Test Victory: The Verdicts Thread :)
PostPosted: 02:13 on 16th Jul 2013

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peado Wrote:
addtamx Wrote:
Don't think we'll be handing them over in this leg though.

Agreed. Can't see them winning 3 of the next 4 tests.


They only need to win 2 of the next 4 ;)
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samcrewe
Post subject: Re: First Test Victory: The Verdicts Thread :)
PostPosted: 02:18 on 16th Jul 2013

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peado Wrote:
But when it comes to bowling, I think the Aussie bowling attack is much better than ours. When you put the two together there's not much between the two of them.


I disagree with that statement. I think bar Finn, our bowling unit bowled well in general. The others may have not got the wickets to show for it, but they did their job. We also need to remember that Broad was pretty much sidelined for most of the first innings bowling, but when he did bowl, he did so tightly. Swann didn't get the wickets but he also didn't bowl badly. Finn was absolute tripe though, that I will grant you.

On the other hand, the Aussie attack, I think is still in its discovery phase. They still have the potential, however they are not consistent enough throughout a test. All of them had good spells, but then all of them (bar Siddle) had really bad spells too. When they needed to keep the pressure on England they bowled some crap that let England batsmen off the hook.

This Aussie attack sort of reminds me of us 4 or so years ago. Back then we had the potential to match it with the best, but we didn't string them together regularly enough to create constant pressure, something England have generally done well in the last 3 or so years.

If we are judging the England bowling unit by the fact that only Anderson got all the wickets, then a similar judgement should be made about Aus' bowling unit as Siddle got the majority of theirs too (8 in the match). I think the judgement on England's bowling performance is very premature.
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