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Eggmanfoo
Post subject: Flower gone
PostPosted: 14:03 on 31st Jan 2014

Joined: 13:35 on 20th May 2008
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Confirmed on cric info.
Dear dear.
Maybe big jim who runs my local evening league side will put in for the job
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PeterT
Post subject: Re: Flower gone
PostPosted: 13:06 on 31st Jan 2014

Joined: 18:20 on 17th Oct 2008
Posts: 173
Eggmanfoo Wrote:
Confirmed on cric info.
Dear dear.
Maybe big jim who runs my local evening league side will put in for the job


What about Strauss to replace him?
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blueandy1mac
Post subject: Re: Flower gone
PostPosted: 13:34 on 31st Jan 2014

Joined: 12:30 on 14th Jul 2008
Posts: 2140
Location: Preston UK
I take no pleasure from anyone losing their job (Cons/Lib Dems aside) but in this instance I am glad that AF has done what I consider to be the honourable thing.
A 0-5 defeat is disastrous, against anyone, at any time, anywhere. Coming after a comfortable 3-0 win against the same opposition tells you something is totally amiss.
Taking into account the results following the test series, he perhaps shouldn't be on his own.
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kev
Post subject: Re: Flower gone
PostPosted: 14:53 on 31st Jan 2014

Joined: 17:06 on 4th Dec 2008
Posts: 279
Location: Walsall West Midlands
blueandy1mac Wrote:
I take no pleasure from anyone losing their job (Cons/Lib Dems aside) but in this instance I am glad that AF has done what I consider to be the honourable thing.
A 0-5 defeat is disastrous, against anyone, at any time, anywhere. Coming after a comfortable 3-0 win against the same opposition tells you something is totally amiss.
Taking into account the results following the test series, he perhaps shouldn't be on his own.

Andy the "comfortable 3-0 win against the same opposition" was the most uncomfortable 3-0 win in the history of 3-0 wins, & as for the same opposition they were in total disarray.
Yes it was a disastrous tour but I can't think of anyone better equipped to rectify things.
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blueandy1mac
Post subject: Re: Flower gone
PostPosted: 16:55 on 31st Jan 2014

Joined: 12:30 on 14th Jul 2008
Posts: 2140
Location: Preston UK
kev Wrote:
blueandy1mac Wrote:
I take no pleasure from anyone losing their job (Cons/Lib Dems aside) but in this instance I am glad that AF has done what I consider to be the honourable thing.
A 0-5 defeat is disastrous, against anyone, at any time, anywhere. Coming after a comfortable 3-0 win against the same opposition tells you something is totally amiss.
Taking into account the results following the test series, he perhaps shouldn't be on his own.

Andy the "comfortable 3-0 win against the same opposition" was the most uncomfortable 3-0 win in the history of 3-0 wins, & as for the same opposition they were in total disarray.
Yes it was a disastrous tour but I can't think of anyone better equipped to rectify things.


In some ways Kev I see what you mean, but in others I'm very concerned that there is no logical, straightforward replacement. Certainly none that has been groomed with the job in mind, unless you count AG which even a Bears fan would find stretching it a bit.

My main point tho' through all of this, is that some-one had to say I/we got it completely wrong. If you in your position had made that mess of a 3 month contract, what would be the most likely outcome ? At best you would be re-assigned to duties more compatible with your abilities. We can't do that with AF (besides the fact he has a proven track record as you imply) so he has to move on. I don't think he should be the only one, others are also culpable. Will they do the decent thing? It remains to be seen but I hope so.
This is not about blame, its about clearing the decks and starting afresh, whilst taking on board the recent hard lessons.
Incidentally the 'comfortable' only referred to the scoreline not the actual play, I think most of us saw some writing on the wall last summer/winter in NZ.
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Big Harvey
Post subject: Re: Flower gone
PostPosted: 18:46 on 31st Jan 2014

Joined: 09:14 on 23rd Apr 2008
Posts: 2361
I'm sad that this has happened. We had our most successful spell since I've been watching England under Andy Flower. I've heard a few voices calling for him to be replaced, but few if any suggestions for a replacement. Much as I admired Ashley Giles as a player, the idea of him taking over as England coach doesn't fill me with any sense of excitement. He may have won the County Championship with Warwickshire, but under him they played dull cricket that can't have won them many friends.
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addtamx
Post subject: Re: Flower gone
PostPosted: 23:14 on 31st Jan 2014

Joined: 21:02 on 9th May 2008
Posts: 954
Location: Australia
Yeah, like Andy says this isn't about the blame game, Flower has been an outstanding asset to English cricket and brought us unparalleled success in his tenure.

But it does appear that coaches do have a shelf life and I think now is the right time to change, clear the slate and take a new direction.

I wonder if either Gooch or Sakers job's are under any threat? I would think Gooch definitely would be feeling nervous......Saker maybe not so much.

This really does feel like the end of an era now, very interesting times ahead.
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Big Harvey
Post subject: Re: Flower gone
PostPosted: 00:08 on 1st Feb 2014

Joined: 09:14 on 23rd Apr 2008
Posts: 2361
addtamx Wrote:
This really does feel like the end of an era now, very interesting times ahead.


I seriously wonder whether you'd be saying that if you had watched the Warwickshire County Championship winning team Ashley Giles coached.
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addtamx
Post subject: Re: Flower gone
PostPosted: 02:10 on 1st Feb 2014

Joined: 21:02 on 9th May 2008
Posts: 954
Location: Australia
You've lost me there H???

Edit:

Don't think it is a done deal Giles will get the job. I'm hearing a few names touted around; Garry Kirsten, Tom Moody, Jason Gillespie, Stephen Fleming......apparently Paul Collingwood is 25-1 with the bookies.
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Big Harvey
Post subject: Re: Flower gone
PostPosted: 09:56 on 1st Feb 2014

Joined: 09:14 on 23rd Apr 2008
Posts: 2361
addtamx Wrote:
You've lost me there H???



There was nothing "interesting" about the cricket played and tactics used by that Warwickshire side while Giles was in charge.
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