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Cuthbert Rizla
Post subject: NEVER FORGET ...
PostPosted: 11:43 on 1st Feb 2014

Joined: 20:14 on 21st Mar 2012
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... that on this day 30 years ago Australia covered itself in shame and ignominy with the Chappell underarm incident.

Incredibly there are some Convicts who still reckon it was a glorious day for Australia cricket.

To remind everyone Trevor Chappell bowled an underarm delivery to prevent New Zealand batsman Brian McKechnie from hitting a six at the Melbourne Cricket Ground and thus tying with Australia in an one-day international match.

Australian captain Greg Chappell told his brother to deliver the legal but unpopular move to save the match. A dismayed McKechnie blocked the ball and Australia won
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Big Harvey
Post subject: Re: NEVER FORGET ...
PostPosted: 12:55 on 1st Feb 2014

Joined: 09:14 on 23rd Apr 2008
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Cuthbert Rizla Wrote:
... that on this day 30 years ago Australia covered itself in shame and ignominy with the Chappell underarm incident.

Incredibly there are some Convicts who still reckon it was a glorious day for Australia cricket.

To remind everyone Trevor Chappell bowled an underarm delivery to prevent New Zealand batsman Brian McKechnie from hitting a six at the Melbourne Cricket Ground and thus tying with Australia in an one-day international match.

Australian captain Greg Chappell told his brother to deliver the legal but unpopular move to save the match. A dismayed McKechnie blocked the ball and Australia won


Nothing wrong with underarm bowling (see my avatar)! Right up until WW1, the now long lost art of underarm bowling still had at least one serious (and successful) exponent in the first class game.

The real issue with the delivery was not that it was bowled underarm, but that it was rolled along the ground. It was that aspect that constituted the kind of dirty, unsportsmanlike, win at all costs behaviour you would expect from the Chappells and Australia in general.
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blueandy1mac
Post subject: Re: NEVER FORGET ...
PostPosted: 13:09 on 1st Feb 2014

Joined: 12:30 on 14th Jul 2008
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Location: Preston UK
Agreed as above but, wasn't it actually a 'no-ball' as they didn't inform the umpires that they intended to actually bowl underarm.
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Big Harvey
Post subject: Re: NEVER FORGET ...
PostPosted: 14:18 on 1st Feb 2014

Joined: 09:14 on 23rd Apr 2008
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blueandy1mac Wrote:
Agreed as above but, wasn't it actually a 'no-ball' as they didn't inform the umpires that they intended to actually bowl underarm.


No. They did inform the umpire and batsman first.
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MitchellJohnson
Post subject: Re: NEVER FORGET ...
PostPosted: 09:22 on 2nd Feb 2014

Joined: 17:53 on 9th Dec 2013
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Cuthbert Rizla Wrote:
Incredibly there are some Convicts who still reckon it was a glorious day for Australia cricket.


Make no mistake, almost every Australian will tell you that this was Australian sport's darkest day. I would actually challenge the "some ... who still reckon it was a glorious day" suggestion, but I'm happy to be proven wrong. Most cricket fans in Australia shudder with shame when they recall that match.

I notice that the English Telegraph lists the incident at No 19 on the "World's Most Imperfect Sporting Moments", but gives Jardine's "Bodyline" bowling method the 5th spot :roll:

www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2316323/50-im ... ments.html
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Wozza
Post subject: Re: NEVER FORGET ...
PostPosted: 06:15 on 4th Feb 2014

Joined: 13:24 on 9th Jan 2014
Posts: 47
I see our friend Lofthouse/H3rmit has been frothing about this thread on the Fanatics forum

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On the Barmy Army forum a moron named Cuthbert Rizla has resorted to rubbishing Australia over something that happened 30 years ago,(the trevor chappel underarm) even though it was a legal ball,yet this Rizla(doubt if his parents ever married) must have already forgotten Broad refusing to walk even when he was caught at second slip, I think the umpire has just dropped his white stick so he missed it.


He's been going on about Broad not walking for months now :lol: He must be too old to have seen that the ball wasn't edged by Broad to second slip as Brad Haddin deflected a very faint nick it before it was caught

He obviously hasn't seen footage of Aussies not walking either, although saying that i don't think they have the Internet in Adelaide

Has he been banned from here or is he now only posting on the Fanatics forum so he can follow his usual practice of starting arguments and then getting posters banned when they wipe the floor with him? :lol:
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addtamx
Post subject: Re: NEVER FORGET ...
PostPosted: 09:05 on 4th Feb 2014

Joined: 21:02 on 9th May 2008
Posts: 934
Location: Australia
Big Harvey Wrote:

The real issue with the delivery was not that it was bowled underarm, but that it was rolled along the ground. It was that aspect that constituted the kind of dirty, unsportsmanlike, win at all costs behaviour you would expect from the Chappells and Australia in general.


Just gonna put this out there and am interested to hear others opinion on this......

I was involved in a discussion on another forum about the bodyline series and the tactics Jardine employed, tactics that I have no issue with in any shape or form and Jardine I consider to be England's greatest ever captain.

My take on leg theory was that it was a controversial tactic but within the rules (at the time) and Jardine is to be admired for sticking to his guns despite the uproar that ensued.......essentially he knew it was the only way to keep Bradman quiet and the only way England would win the series........it was win at all costs and I admire that.

So during the discussion someone asked me what I thought of the underarm ball and like most I said it was appalling. The poster then added that it was controversial, within the rules (at the time) and a win at all costs approach..........not much different to what I was admiring in Jardine.

So the question is, is there a hypocrisy here? Is it really fair to admire Jardine but condemn the Chappells? I'm genuinely interested to see if there is a credible argument to lodge in support of Jardine and still look down on the Chappells.........because of course that is the best scenario for all of us :D
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Cuthbert Rizla
Post subject: Re: NEVER FORGET ...
PostPosted: 11:31 on 4th Feb 2014

Joined: 20:14 on 21st Mar 2012
Posts: 180
addtamx Wrote:
Big Harvey Wrote:

The real issue with the delivery was not that it was bowled underarm, but that it was rolled along the ground. It was that aspect that constituted the kind of dirty, unsportsmanlike, win at all costs behaviour you would expect from the Chappells and Australia in general.


Just gonna put this out there and am interested to hear others opinion on this......

I was involved in a discussion on another forum about the bodyline series and the tactics Jardine employed, tactics that I have no issue with in any shape or form and Jardine I consider to be England's greatest ever captain.

My take on leg theory was that it was a controversial tactic but within the rules (at the time) and Jardine is to be admired for sticking to his guns despite the uproar that ensued.......essentially he knew it was the only way to keep Bradman quiet and the only way England would win the series........it was win at all costs and I admire that.

So during the discussion someone asked me what I thought of the underarm ball and like most I said it was appalling. The poster then added that it was controversial, within the rules (at the time) and a win at all costs approach..........not much different to what I was admiring in Jardine.

So the question is, is there a hypocrisy here? Is it really fair to admire Jardine but condemn the Chappells? I'm genuinely interested to see if there is a credible argument to lodge in support of Jardine and still look down on the Chappells.........because of course that is the best scenario for all of us :D


The only cricketers who should face underarm balls are very young children.
That's the only argument there is really.
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blueandy1mac
Post subject: Re: NEVER FORGET ...
PostPosted: 18:28 on 4th Feb 2014

Joined: 12:30 on 14th Jul 2008
Posts: 2050
Location: Preston UK
addtamx Wrote:
Big Harvey Wrote:

The real issue with the delivery was not that it was bowled underarm, but that it was rolled along the ground. It was that aspect that constituted the kind of dirty, unsportsmanlike, win at all costs behaviour you would expect from the Chappells and Australia in general.


Just gonna put this out there and am interested to hear others opinion on this......

I was involved in a discussion on another forum about the bodyline series and the tactics Jardine employed, tactics that I have no issue with in any shape or form and Jardine I consider to be England's greatest ever captain.

My take on leg theory was that it was a controversial tactic but within the rules (at the time) and Jardine is to be admired for sticking to his guns despite the uproar that ensued.......essentially he knew it was the only way to keep Bradman quiet and the only way England would win the series........it was win at all costs and I admire that.

So during the discussion someone asked me what I thought of the underarm ball and like most I said it was appalling. The poster then added that it was controversial, within the rules (at the time) and a win at all costs approach..........not much different to what I was admiring in Jardine.

So the question is, is there a hypocrisy here? Is it really fair to admire Jardine but condemn the Chappells? I'm genuinely interested to see if there is a credible argument to lodge in support of Jardine and still look down on the Chappells.........because of course that is the best scenario for all of us :D

TBH Add there is no possible way to excuse what the Chappells did. Excuse what Jardine did ? Well our own reaction when the WI subjected us to bodyline shortly after pretty well summed up what 'cricket' people thought of it.
i admire your dedication mate, but the ends didn't justify the means. Even to curtail 'the Don'.
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Big Harvey
Post subject: Re: NEVER FORGET ...
PostPosted: 19:06 on 4th Feb 2014

Joined: 09:14 on 23rd Apr 2008
Posts: 2317
addtamx Wrote:
Big Harvey Wrote:

The real issue with the delivery was not that it was bowled underarm, but that it was rolled along the ground. It was that aspect that constituted the kind of dirty, unsportsmanlike, win at all costs behaviour you would expect from the Chappells and Australia in general.


Just gonna put this out there and am interested to hear others opinion on this......

I was involved in a discussion on another forum about the bodyline series and the tactics Jardine employed, tactics that I have no issue with in any shape or form and Jardine I consider to be England's greatest ever captain.

My take on leg theory was that it was a controversial tactic but within the rules (at the time) and Jardine is to be admired for sticking to his guns despite the uproar that ensued.......essentially he knew it was the only way to keep Bradman quiet and the only way England would win the series........it was win at all costs and I admire that.

So during the discussion someone asked me what I thought of the underarm ball and like most I said it was appalling. The poster then added that it was controversial, within the rules (at the time) and a win at all costs approach..........not much different to what I was admiring in Jardine.

So the question is, is there a hypocrisy here? Is it really fair to admire Jardine but condemn the Chappells? I'm genuinely interested to see if there is a credible argument to lodge in support of Jardine and still look down on the Chappells.........because of course that is the best scenario for all of us :D


Re. Jardine, he was indeed a great England captain. By the time the 32/3 Ashes tour took place, the tactic of fast leg theory had been used in English county cricket for at least 2 or 3 seasons. Ironically, one of its leading pioneers was Ted McDonald, an Australian who played for Lancashire. Until the Aussies whinged about it, it was just another part of the game, employed as a variation and to target specific weaknesses. Jardine wasn't expecting to use it that much until he saw how rattled the Aussies were by it and how he could use it to get inside their heads.

The touring West Indies used it in 1933, yet England won the series easily and Jardine himself scored a 2nd innings hundred against it.

Compare that with the bowling of a grass-cutter, which was universally considered unsporting even in the games I used to play in my primary school playground when I was 7 years old in which underarm bowling was compulsory.
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