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blueandy1mac
Post subject: Pietersen 'gone'.
PostPosted: 20:08 on 4th Feb 2014

Joined: 12:30 on 14th Jul 2008
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Location: Preston UK
Perhaps its too much to expect some explanation ? Unanimous decision ! "The time is right to rebuild not only the team but also the team ethic."
i think I would be asking someone - to his face - to explain that to me, if I was him.

He's been a problem child, fair enough. But are we to believe that 5-0 is all his fault ? Or are others going to receive the same treatment, i doubt it.

Step forward the half dozen, err three, ok couple, anybody good enough to hold a candle to him in our current eyeline.

Thanks Kev. It wasn't all great, but when it was it was stupendous.
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simon.spread
Post subject: Re: Pietersen 'gone'.
PostPosted: 23:04 on 4th Feb 2014

Joined: 11:18 on 15th Jun 2013
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Andy,

I couldn't agree with you more. Also et's not forget he was our top run scorer in Australia.

Furthermore what exatcly does the "ethic" and the "philosophy" mean in the following statement? "However everyone was aware that there was a need to begin the long term planning after the Australia tour. Therefore we have decided the time is right to look to the future and start to rebuild not only the team but also team ethic and philosophy."

Pietersen's work ethic was second to none and his philospophy was to attack.

Are we to look forward to the conservative play re the declaration against NewZealand last year and the approach with scant regard shown for the paying public at the 3rd day of the Oval last year?

For me Pietersen wasthe most entertaining player we've had since Beefy. He's also had a very unfair press. I can't imagine he'd have got away with 'the noble gesture' bollocks Swann came out with after Perth.

In the interests of wanting to remain positive we should see some young talent and potentially long term players getting their chance. Buttler etc?

Andy, tell me I've got this wrong and the future's ginger (Bairstow Stokes)

Cheers
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Cuthbert Rizla
Post subject: Re: Pietersen 'gone'.
PostPosted: 07:28 on 5th Feb 2014

Joined: 20:14 on 21st Mar 2012
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Pietersen has fallen out with every team he's ever played in.
No-one minds an ego but when the ego stops delivering the goods in Test matches the writing is on the wall.
England need to re-build.
And fast.
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addtamx
Post subject: Re: Pietersen 'gone'.
PostPosted: 10:39 on 5th Feb 2014

Joined: 21:02 on 9th May 2008
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Location: Australia
We're fucked. Trott, Swann, Prior, Flower and now KP.........the Aussies didn't just win the battle, they've burned down the house too.

I've got mixed feelings about the KP sacking.....but then I always have about the man tbh. After the textgate debacle I never wanted to see him back in an England shirt again, but back he came and everything was rossie, or so we were told.

Dunno what to think, I've jumped on and off the KP wagon so many times I think I've lost all perspective on him. Looking forward to reading the autobiographies in time.....maybe then there will be sense to all of this.
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GMH2
Post subject: Re: Pietersen 'gone'.
PostPosted: 10:54 on 5th Feb 2014

Joined: 10:48 on 22nd Aug 2011
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I know feelings are divided but in my opinion the correct decision.
He ran out of chances.
Fell out with Strauss, Moores, Flowers, Swann (apparently), Notts, Natal, Hampshire.....the Saffers text incident was unforgivable.
Okay, when he's on his game, he was one of our best batters but in truth the anticipation of him coming to the crease was quite regularly an anti climax.
We cannot go into a new era with a divisive element in the dressing room, which he was.
To say he top scored in Oz is not exactly saying a lot is it ?? In the crucial moments of the tour he was poor. Got himself out 5 times in the first six innings.
He will be remebered by me as a very good batter but not one of the greats.
Can someone tell me why that bellend Piers Morgan is suddenly a cricket fan and why he's so far up KP's ar$e ????
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blueandy1mac
Post subject: Re: Pietersen 'gone'.
PostPosted: 12:08 on 5th Feb 2014

Joined: 12:30 on 14th Jul 2008
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GMH2 Wrote:
I know feelings are divided but in my opinion the correct decision.
He ran out of chances.
Fell out with Strauss, Moores, Flowers, Swann (apparently), Notts, Natal, Hampshire.....the Saffers text incident was unforgivable.
Okay, when he's on his game, he was one of our best batters but in truth the anticipation of him coming to the crease was quite regularly an anti climax.
We cannot go into a new era with a divisive element in the dressing room, which he was.
To say he top scored in Oz is not exactly saying a lot is it ?? In the crucial moments of the tour he was poor. Got himself out 5 times in the first six innings.
He will be remebered by me as a very good batter but not one of the greats.
Can someone tell me why that bellend Piers Morgan is suddenly a cricket fan and why he's so far up KP's ar$e ????

I think you answered your own question there matey.
But I think its probably linked to the reasons why 2 Mirror journalists were found guilty of stock manipulation under his watch, although he himself was found not to have acted inappropriately, whilst making money from the transaction. Its all about the money.
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blueandy1mac
Post subject: Re: Pietersen 'gone'.
PostPosted: 12:14 on 5th Feb 2014

Joined: 12:30 on 14th Jul 2008
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Location: Preston UK
Cuthbert Rizla Wrote:
Pietersen has fallen out with every team he's ever played in.
No-one minds an ego but when the ego stops delivering the goods in Test matches the writing is on the wall.
England need to re-build.
And fast.


Fair point, but then we can expect all the others who performed even worse than he did to be axed as well ? No I don't either.
Boycotts comments about 'individuals within the team'. The supreme irony, you have surpassed yourself Geoffrey.
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GMH2
Post subject: Re: Pietersen 'gone'.
PostPosted: 13:37 on 5th Feb 2014

Joined: 10:48 on 22nd Aug 2011
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blueandy1mac Wrote:
Cuthbert Rizla Wrote:
Pietersen has fallen out with every team he's ever played in.
No-one minds an ego but when the ego stops delivering the goods in Test matches the writing is on the wall.
England need to re-build.
And fast.


Fair point, but then we can expect all the others who performed even worse than he did to be axed as well ? No I don't either.
Boycotts comments about 'individuals within the team'. The supreme irony, you have surpassed yourself Geoffrey.


Good point. Although completely diferent types of players, very similiar characters when it came to being and playing in a team enviroment.
Whilst you are correct in saying that others who played worse will not be dropped, I do think that many of them are running out of time. Hopefully, it spells it out to them clearly that reputations will count for nowt.
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Cuthbert Rizla
Post subject: Re: Pietersen 'gone'.
PostPosted: 14:48 on 5th Feb 2014

Joined: 20:14 on 21st Mar 2012
Posts: 220
blueandy1mac Wrote:
Cuthbert Rizla Wrote:
Pietersen has fallen out with every team he's ever played in.
No-one minds an ego but when the ego stops delivering the goods in Test matches the writing is on the wall.
England need to re-build.
And fast.


Fair point, but then we can expect all the others who performed even worse than he did to be axed as well ? No I don't either.



Well,I'd expect Matt Prior to be the next one of the golden generation to be jettisoned.Before and after the Ashes series his focus seems more on long-distance cycling and losing weight then playing cricket.

Trott,sadly,is a busted flush and England can't afford to let sentimentality sway their decisions about him.

Likewise Bresnan - can we really afford to give journeymen bowlers a central contract any more ?

And taking Tremlett and Finn on an Ashes tour with fingers crossed they might just come good is frankly bonkers. Based on his county form alone Onions should have been in the squad.

I'd also be interested to see how England expect the players to improve their form after this debacle - seems to me the Aussies are far more willing to send a player back to Shield Cricket to find form than England are.

We pick from a large squad of highly-paid players who rarely go back to their counties, instead hoping they find form in the nets or carrying water bottles.

Anyone who was in the UAE last year would have picked up on the complacency that was already creeping into the England team - if we expect to pick the England football team based on form why not cricket as well ?
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simon.spread
Post subject: Re: Pietersen 'gone'.
PostPosted: 20:43 on 5th Feb 2014

Joined: 11:18 on 15th Jun 2013
Posts: 12
Cutherbert,

can't disagree with much of your somewhat biting analysis. So what would your first 11 for the first test next summer bea nd what do you think it will be?

Problems in order of the greatest difficulty to solve to my eyes are:

spinner
third seamer
opener
wicket keeper
number 3
number 4

For the wicket keeping position I'd go for Buttler. As for the spinner I haven't a clue.

One final thought in the afermath of all this nobody seems to be questioning Cook's position. I can accept that he has shown, in the past, that he has the determination and mental capacity to overcome his slump in form, long though it is, but frankly as a captain he's tactically inept.

Cheers,

Simon
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