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blueandy1mac
Post subject: Re: Ashley Giles
PostPosted: 10:49 on 1st Apr 2014

Joined: 12:30 on 14th Jul 2008
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Location: Preston UK
If the last few months performances don't indicate that radical action is required then I don't know what does. Giles has been a major influence during those months and is still being touted by all the stooges, today its Harmison, as 'the best man for the job'.
I don't know who the best man is, but neither does the ECB or he would have at least been approached by now.
GC is too busy basking in the glory that he and the Indians/Aussies have bestowed upon themselves, to care about the imminent and long term future of England.
Leadership is whats needed at every level of our game, at the moment there's none.
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Big Harvey
Post subject: Re: Ashley Giles
PostPosted: 11:47 on 1st Apr 2014

Joined: 09:14 on 23rd Apr 2008
Posts: 2361
hooperman Wrote:
Giles Clarke needs to go forth as well. He appears immune to critique.


I would say that anyone in Clarke's position who was both shameless enough to want to stay on in his job after his dealings with Stanford, and was not forced to leave because of it is immune to critique.
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Minhosa
Post subject: Re: Ashley Giles
PostPosted: 15:14 on 2nd Apr 2014

Joined: 08:07 on 21st Jul 2010
Posts: 116
Minor rant alert?! ;)

I have been saying this for a while now but the ECB management and backroom staff needs a complete revamp and review Chairman, Director of Cricket, Selectors, Coaches etc etc.

I agree how Giles Clarke had the gall to continue in post, and even voted in again, after the Stanford episode is beyond belief, and let's not forget his recent business with a certain Mr Srnivasan.

Paul Downton seems to be on a personal crusade to take England cricket back to the dark ages.

How the ECB could even contemplate giving the job to Ashley Giles is beyond me, we all know he was part of the committee that selected the Ashes squad so is in part culpable for that debacle as well as the WT20 shambles we have just witnessed.

The ECB is run by the incompetent self serving establishment and the disdain they show the England cricket fan is scandalous imo.

They simply do not deserve the loyalty they get.

...and breathe?! ;)
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GMH2
Post subject: Re: Ashley Giles
PostPosted: 13:17 on 3rd Apr 2014

Joined: 10:48 on 22nd Aug 2011
Posts: 100
I remember sitting on the train going from the North Shore into Sydney on the last day of the Sydney Test in 2011 and reading a two page spread in the SMH on everything which was wrong with Australian cricket and how the English system was nigh on perfect - quality bowling attack, all batsmen scoring big, athletic in the field, great county system and a wealth of youngsters in the queue to take places.
I find it incredible that all this can go so wrong in such a relatively short space of time. Surely the system is pretty much the same as 4 years ago ? Whilst I totally agree that Clarke has got away with this, I honestly feel that the players and coaches have to have a very hard look at themselves. The cricket which is currently being played is piss poor on every level. If players are not doing it ,regardless of how big the personality, then it should be ta ra - go back to county cricket and hope that the young player who replaces you does'nt perform.
Some of the current set up look like they have got old,fat (hyperthetically), rich and complacent.
Ashley Giles is not the answer. The list of options is not special but if I was going for someone, I don't think Peter Moores did a lot wrong.
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fernando
Post subject: Re: Ashley Giles
PostPosted: 15:30 on 3rd Apr 2014

Joined: 12:48 on 25th Apr 2008
Posts: 1873
2 good posts.
I agree with a lot of that. The bit about the coaches. I posted a few months ago about the backroom staff and why do we need so many,thats why ticket prices in this country have gone through the roof. we probably have a "slip coach" a "wicketkeeper coach" a "throwin in coach". is it really necessary?.
Ashley Giles,never rated him. Think he used to bowl when the quickies needed a rest.
And finally.
Bloke who i work with,his mate was in Oz this time round. Decent cricketer,playing over there in our winter,was asked to bowl in the nets at "our lot" When he finished,not a "Thanks" "Kiss my arse" or "Cheers mate"
Shower of big-headed bastards.
Little rant over.
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Marine45
Post subject: Re: Ashley Giles
PostPosted: 18:12 on 7th Apr 2014

Joined: 18:39 on 5th Jun 2013
Posts: 45
Give it to mac, he knows everything
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addtamx
Post subject: Re: Ashley Giles
PostPosted: 12:25 on 8th Apr 2014

Joined: 21:02 on 9th May 2008
Posts: 954
Location: Australia
Seriously Marine....give it a rest son.

So what options do we have?? Surely to god Giles has f@#ked up whatever case he had, according to this article

www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/cu ... 35611.html

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Newell is on a short-list for the England role that also includes the Lancashire coach, Peter Moores, the Sussex coach, Mark Robinson, the England limited-overs coach, Ashley Giles and the New South Wales and Kolkata Knight Riders' coach, Trevor Bayliss.


Any thoughts on the candidates?
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blueandy1mac
Post subject: Re: Ashley Giles
PostPosted: 12:18 on 8th Apr 2014

Joined: 12:30 on 14th Jul 2008
Posts: 2140
Location: Preston UK
From a personal point of view, I would rather Moores stayed at Lancs. Mainly selfish reasons, but i don't think its that wise for all concerned considering how it all ended last time.
The other three all have decent records that merit their being interviewd but in this case I could'nt pick between them. The benefit of experience in international terms must be a major factor though.
If we're to believe that there's only these five in consideration, it really does say something about how the job is perceived around the world. How many would have had their hands up 12-18 months ago?
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Cuthbert Rizla
Post subject: Re: Ashley Giles
PostPosted: 10:44 on 9th Apr 2014

Joined: 20:14 on 21st Mar 2012
Posts: 228
Whoever gets the job I'd like to see an end to the current non-sensical policy of retaining players in the England squad who are out of form in the hope they just might come good in an international.

To me part of the problem on the Aussie tour was well-established players,comforted by a juicy England contract,not appearing to care too much.

I want to see the best in-form county players picked for a series and fast-tracking of anyone good enough.These days it seems you can have one player performing consistently crap for England and another playing out of their skins for their county and not getting a look-in for at least a year.

It works in football and rugby, why not in cricket ?

Oh, and get rid of half the backroom staff. If a professional sportsman needs a dietician to tell him what to eat he shouldn't be representing his country.
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blueandy1mac
Post subject: Re: Ashley Giles
PostPosted: 10:19 on 9th Apr 2014

Joined: 12:30 on 14th Jul 2008
Posts: 2140
Location: Preston UK
Prior, first ton of the CC.
Finn'y, 6 fer.
Jimmy A, 5 fer, 7 in the match.
Interesting that these three, possibly some of the biggest disappointments in Aus, should have such productive starts. Does seem to support the view of many on here that a spell on the County circuit need'nt be detrimental and is possibly the opposite.
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