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Big Harvey
Post subject: Mankading
PostPosted: 13:36 on 4th Jun 2014

Joined: 09:14 on 23rd Apr 2008
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Lots of talk in the media about the "controversial" dismissal of Jos Buttler yesterday. However having watched the video of what happened I'm at a total loss to understand why anyone thinks it was somehow "unsporting."

Any views on this?
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fernando
Post subject: Re: Mankading
PostPosted: 14:54 on 4th Jun 2014

Joined: 12:48 on 25th Apr 2008
Posts: 1891
Big Harvey Wrote:
Lots of talk in the media about the "controversial" dismissal of Jos Buttler yesterday. However having watched the video of what happened I'm at a total loss to understand why anyone thinks it was somehow "unsporting."

Any views on this?


He was told twice. Out for me as well.
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MrPhelps
Post subject: Re: Mankading
PostPosted: 17:10 on 4th Jun 2014

Joined: 16:13 on 17th Jan 2011
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As he'd been warned the over before I don't really have a problem with it.
I'm still not sure it's something I want to see happening on a regular basis though...

More frustrating for me is that it means that the debate in the media today is about this rather than about England's failings as a batting unit once again.
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blueandy1mac
Post subject: Re: Mankading
PostPosted: 16:34 on 4th Jun 2014

Joined: 12:30 on 14th Jul 2008
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Location: Preston UK
MrPhelps Wrote:
As he'd been warned the over before I don't really have a problem with it.
I'm still not sure it's something I want to see happening on a regular basis though...

More frustrating for me is that it means that the debate in the media today is about this rather than about England's failings as a batting unit once again.


In hindsight this for me.
(I was slightly mislead by TMS which only mentioned one warning and they thought that was a bit OTT as they said he wasn't attempting to steal}
Two warnings ! enough said.
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MelonHead
Post subject: Re: Mankading
PostPosted: 08:51 on 5th Jun 2014

Joined: 07:43 on 16th Feb 2011
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Big Harvey Wrote:
Lots of talk in the media about the "controversial" dismissal of Jos Buttler yesterday. However having watched the video of what happened I'm at a total loss to understand why anyone thinks it was somehow "unsporting."

Any views on this?



Makes me wonder what sort of cricket Buttler (and Cook) played in their youth.
Where I was brought up (Yorkshire), you'd get a (gruff) warning, and then you're on your way if you try and chance it again.
Anyone who complained about such a dismissal being "unsporting" would be at best laughed at and at worst offered a bit of the old Carl Froch
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addtamx
Post subject: Re: Mankading
PostPosted: 11:25 on 5th Jun 2014

Joined: 21:02 on 9th May 2008
Posts: 966
Location: Australia
Really disappointed with Cooks comments after the game.......has come across really poorly IMO.

Like every test team England push the envelope in terms of "crossing the line" and so we should, it's a professional sport FFS. But to have a whinge when you're on the wrong end of it is piss poor. No one here took kindly to Lehmans comments about Broad not walking......well I'd imagine Cook questioning the sportsmanship of Sri Lanka has gone down just as well with them.

Absolutely nothing wrong with the dismissal and it's hard to comprehend that having been warned twice Butler was still collared.
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Cuthbert Rizla
Post subject: Re: Mankading
PostPosted: 14:05 on 5th Jun 2014

Joined: 20:14 on 21st Mar 2012
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I beg to differ.
Mankading is very rare in international cricket - it's 20 years since it happened in an ODI and 35 years since it happened in a Test match.
It's not because batsmen aren't always scrupulopus about when they leave the popping crease but because unless they are deliberately trying to steal a run,which Buttler clearly wasn't, it is considered unsporting.
If you look at it again Senanayake had virtually completed his bowling action when Buttler's bat was clearly still in the popping crease. In the second it took the bowler to stop and whip the bails off Buttler had taken perhaps a single step.
You can see examples of Buttler's movements in just about any cricket match you care to watch.
In this case,however,Senanayake had a point to prove because his bowling action has been queried in England.
On the sub-continent it hasn't.
I also contend that there is less concern about unsporting behaviour - and let's be honest downright cheating - on the sub-continent.
If any English,Australian,New Zealand or South African bowler did the same his team-mates would be the first to have a go at him.
*** dons tin helmet ***
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blueandy1mac
Post subject: Re: Mankading
PostPosted: 15:07 on 5th Jun 2014

Joined: 12:30 on 14th Jul 2008
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Location: Preston UK
No need for any tin helmet. All fair points and previous to this instance certainly, ones most of us adhere to. Not so sure the Us, Aussie, NZ etc are as scrupulously sportsmanlike as you contend however.
Think most people lost sympathy with the two warnings, when do you begin to take warnings seriously ?
Wouldn't like to see it repeated too often though and I do actually believe it will be a 'one-off' rather than a new trend.
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MelonHead
Post subject: Re: Mankading
PostPosted: 16:39 on 5th Jun 2014

Joined: 07:43 on 16th Feb 2011
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Cuthbert Rizla Wrote:
I beg to differ.

It's not because batsmen aren't always scrupulopus about when they leave the popping crease but because unless they are deliberately trying to steal a run,which Buttler clearly wasn't, it is considered unsporting.





Bowler oversteps the line, but the ball knocks out the middle stump. 'No ball', cries the umpire. 'Ah' says the bowler' 'my silly mistake, nothing deliberate, I just didn't quite time the run up correctly!'. 'Righty-ho' smiles the batsman, 'fair's fair, I'll be off back to the pavilion, it would be unsporting for me to stay at the crease'.
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Cuthbert Rizla
Post subject: Re: Mankading
PostPosted: 13:40 on 6th Jun 2014

Joined: 20:14 on 21st Mar 2012
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For once Sir Geoffrey and I are in complete agreement.

www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/video_audio/750303.html
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