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Dr Hannibal Lecter
Post subject: The closed shop that is the England dressing room
PostPosted: 19:35 on 31st Jul 2008

Joined: 17:56 on 9th May 2008
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Or is it? Discuss. :(
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penmse
Post subject: Re: The closed shop that is the England dressing room
PostPosted: 01:47 on 1st Aug 2008

Joined: 01:09 on 1st Aug 2008
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time for a shake up. I dont want to go back to the bad old days of the late 90's where we chop and change every test but there does need to be some changes as i feel complacency has set in. Hoggie and Harmison have gone yet our bowling line up has been struggling. We have only posted 400 once in 15 tests yet the batting line up has not changed. SA are top draw opponents and have exposed our weaknesses, back to back series against NZ i think gave Moores and Vaughan an unrealistic view of the state of our test team
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Airliebird9
Post subject: Re: The closed shop that is the England dressing room
PostPosted: 09:06 on 1st Aug 2008

Joined: 02:04 on 24th Apr 2008
Posts: 970
Location: East Yorkshire
Ravi Bopara has been performing all season in all forms of the game. He has more than earned his chance and is a ready made replacement for Collingwood.

Harmy is one of the top wicket takers in the country this season. He is bowling at 90+mph and has some confidence back. However, even at the peak of his game he struggled on tour, if he doesn't get his chance during theis series I don't think he should tour. Especially to India. He could possibly be brought in for the fast hard tracks of West Indies though.

Simon Jones has also excelled this season. He has had a continuous, injury free run, which in my opinion was all the selectors where waiting for. He will get the call again, be it during the summer or for the tours.

I think James Foster may also get the call for the tours unless Ambrose comes up with some runs before the end of the series.

As for the captaincy, I don't think there is any doubt that Michael Vaughan is the best man for the job. However, his form does not justify even a place in the starting 11 never mind the captaincy. Don't think Shah is ready for no.3 test match status and Rob Key is not the future, don't really have a replacement......
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fernando
Post subject: Re: The closed shop that is the England dressing room
PostPosted: 10:53 on 1st Aug 2008

Joined: 12:48 on 25th Apr 2008
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If/when Simon Jones gets the call,its odds on he'll be injured.
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Crouchy
Post subject: Re: The closed shop that is the England dressing room
PostPosted: 12:35 on 1st Aug 2008

Joined: 12:13 on 27th Apr 2008
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Location: London
If you pick Harmison for the Oval test, would he tour India?
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pete.h
Post subject: Re: The closed shop that is the England dressing room
PostPosted: 13:15 on 1st Aug 2008

Joined: 11:46 on 16th Jul 2008
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Crouchy Wrote:
If you pick Harmison for the Oval test, would he tour India?


Thats been one of my main points against those who support his recall. I guess this India tour has been tailored to guys like him (ie: getting home for Xmas), but I'm still not sure I would trust him to be in my touring party.

Tall bang-it-into-the-pitch fast bowlers arent exactly what you want to fill your squad with in India either eh?
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penmse
Post subject: Re: The closed shop that is the England dressing room
PostPosted: 13:22 on 1st Aug 2008

Joined: 01:09 on 1st Aug 2008
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i would bring in bopara for collingwood ( unless he gets a ton today !!) and give Simon Jones his long awaited recall.
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dazntfc
Post subject: Re: The closed shop that is the England dressing room
PostPosted: 22:03 on 1st Aug 2008

Joined: 10:08 on 10th May 2008
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Get David Sales in the team.
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Dr Hannibal Lecter
Post subject: Re: The closed shop that is the England dressing room
PostPosted: 22:32 on 1st Aug 2008

Joined: 17:56 on 9th May 2008
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penmse Wrote:
i would bring in bopara for collingwood ( unless he gets a ton today !!) and give Simon Jones his long awaited recall.


I guess you're glad you placed that caveat in brackets now.

Collingwood's innings today was one of a man with balls of steel, but the open question is whether it leads on to more from him in his next few Test innings. Vaughan got a century at Lords against the Kiwis and hasn't reached 50 since. Bell got 199 at Lords but since then has looked all too likely to play a nice cameo and then a bad shot again.

Definitely time to bring someone new in somewhere - the danger is we have players doing enough to stay in the side but no more than that.

As for the bowling, I would hope Harmy will be back for the Oval, which in turn I hope has pace and bounce rather than being the batsman's brothel it normally is.

Would love to see Jones back but my Worcester-based friend says he isn't ready just yet.

Good to see this got a debate going because after Vaughan's comments about Pattinson's selection "destabilising" the team, the question has to be asked. I just think in that since so many batsmen get more chances we should have brought Hoggard back at Headingley. Methinks that Anderson may be dining out on his successes against a weak New Zealand team.
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porteous1
Post subject: Re: The closed shop that is the England dressing room
PostPosted: 14:21 on 4th Aug 2008

Joined: 11:12 on 22nd Jul 2008
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Having seen the news of Pieterson becoming captain i for one would like to see a few changes to the side.
Rob Key (In my eyes deserves a chance, you don't score a test match double hundred if your shite)
Ravi Bopara (Has been awesome all season, just hope he can grab this chance with two hands)
James Foster (Better gloveman than symbols Prior and the lad Ambrose)

Time will tell if these selections come true, but we shall see.

Is Prior in the 4th test squad because he's Peter Moores lover????
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