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baggiebears
Post subject: KP good / bad decision?
PostPosted: 18:20 on 4th Aug 2008

Joined: 18:04 on 4th Aug 2008
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Location: coventry
first time on here , what do people think .

may be great decision as is one of the only ones who will not be dropped in the next 12 months

also it might calm down some of his shot choices at critical periods -- 94 not out at edgbaston

the way he talked colly through the 2nd innings at birmingham was very good , shows he is a team player
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IronsInTheMire
Post subject: Re: KP good / bad decision?
PostPosted: 19:02 on 4th Aug 2008

Joined: 15:36 on 1st Jul 2008
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He's obviously our best player, and certainly the most focussed. I question the attitude of some of our boys at times, but I've always been impressed with KP, and how he goes about his business. I hope that rubs off on some of the players, particularly Bell. That said yesterday I was against it, but as the day's gone on, I've warmed to the idea. Whatever happens, it's gonna be a lot fun!
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baggiebears
Post subject: Re: KP good / bad decision?
PostPosted: 19:11 on 4th Aug 2008

Joined: 18:04 on 4th Aug 2008
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you type well for someone with 6 fingers

why don't you hurry up and go to school
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barmygranny
Post subject: Re: KP good / bad decision?
PostPosted: 21:49 on 4th Aug 2008

Joined: 11:12 on 1st Jun 2008
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Please note......some threads aren't making sense due to the posts of a certain undesirable being deleted......I don't think the last post was in reply to the one above so don't take offence :D
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Maidenover
Post subject: Re: KP good / bad decision?
PostPosted: 22:16 on 4th Aug 2008

Joined: 09:13 on 23rd Apr 2008
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"...also it might calm down some of his shot choices at critical periods -- 94 not out at edgbaston ..."

Collie played the same shot at 94, and for some reason wasn't criticised. The Pietersen shot was Ok, it was the execution that was poor.

Pietersen is Pietersen (and that I blieve is a strength), only time will tell.
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Dr Hannibal Lecter
Post subject: Re: KP good / bad decision?
PostPosted: 22:18 on 4th Aug 2008

Joined: 17:56 on 9th May 2008
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The thing is, nobody has a clue what's really going to happen. It's high risk, it's exciting, it's a white knuckle ride but best of all there's no Heath Ledger in it so no calls for a posthumous oscar.

The Chinese have a traditional saying: "May you live in interesting times." The only thing is, that's not a blessing but a curse.
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Airliebird9
Post subject: Re: KP good / bad decision?
PostPosted: 22:41 on 4th Aug 2008

Joined: 02:04 on 24th Apr 2008
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Location: East Yorkshire
Maidenover Wrote:
"...also it might calm down some of his shot choices at critical periods -- 94 not out at edgbaston ..."

Collie played the same shot at 94, and for some reason wasn't criticised. The Pietersen shot was Ok, it was the execution that was poor.

Pietersen is Pietersen (and that I blieve is a strength), only time will tell.



The problem is, although on 94 not out, England needed a big 150 or 200 from him in that situation. A truly world class player would've applied himself better. How many times has Ricky Ponting done it for Australia??....
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samcrewe
Post subject: Re: KP good / bad decision?
PostPosted: 08:44 on 6th Aug 2008

Joined: 20:35 on 23rd Apr 2008
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Airliebird9 Wrote:
Maidenover Wrote:
"...also it might calm down some of his shot choices at critical periods -- 94 not out at edgbaston ..."

Collie played the same shot at 94, and for some reason wasn't criticised. The Pietersen shot was Ok, it was the execution that was poor.

Pietersen is Pietersen (and that I blieve is a strength), only time will tell.



The problem is, although on 94 not out, England needed a big 150 or 200 from him in that situation. A truly world class player would've applied himself better. How many times has Ricky Ponting done it for Australia??....


In his first series at the Oval he single handedly dragged England from a highly probable loss of match/Ashes.

You can't compare him to Ponting as he is a completely different style of player. Sure compare him to Gayle, Jayasuriya, Gilchrist, but not Ponting. And therein lies the risk of selecting him as captain. By giving him that role they are asking him to be more responsable with his batting, which goes against the style that has made him so successful and deadly. Hence why I think it is a mistake to make your captain your most attacking batsman. If the Aussies had made Gilly captain many moons ago it wouldn't have been an issue as he wasn't their best batsman and was batting at 7, so if he makes a low score while swinging who cares. But with KP, he is our best, most audacious, and care-free batsman all in one and that is a recipie for disaster.

Having said that responsability can do funny things. When they made Beckham England captain I thought it was the worst decision ever, as in many ways he was similar to KP, the glamour boy of his sport. But it seemed to make him a better player.

The flip side to that is that captaincy in cricket is much more important than captaincy in football. Bad captaincy in football rarely loses you matches
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Crouchy
Post subject: Re: KP good / bad decision?
PostPosted: 12:29 on 6th Aug 2008

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Are England simply following the same policy as other countries, of making their best batsman the captain? Does that policy work?
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Airliebird9
Post subject: Re: KP good / bad decision?
PostPosted: 22:32 on 6th Aug 2008

Joined: 02:04 on 24th Apr 2008
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In his first series at the Oval he single handedly dragged England from a highly probable loss of match/Ashes.

You can't compare him to Ponting as he is a completely different style of player. Sure compare him to Gayle, Jayasuriya, Gilchrist, but not Ponting. And therein lies the risk of selecting him as captain. By giving him that role they are asking him to be more responsable with his batting, which goes against the style that has made him so successful and deadly. Hence why I think it is a mistake to make your captain your most attacking batsman. If the Aussies had made Gilly captain many moons ago it wouldn't have been an issue as he wasn't their best batsman and was batting at 7, so if he makes a low score while swinging who cares. But with KP, he is our best, most audacious, and care-free batsman all in one and that is a recipie for disaster.

Having said that responsability can do funny things. When they made Beckham England captain I thought it was the worst decision ever, as in many ways he was similar to KP, the glamour boy of his sport. But it seemed to make him a better player.

The flip side to that is that captaincy in cricket is much more important than captaincy in football. Bad captaincy in football rarely loses you matches[/quote]


Firstly, how is ponting so different from KP???

KP - Test average 50.35, strike rate 63.25
ODI average 47.14, strike rate 86.62

Ponting - Test average 58.37, Strike rate 59.04
ODI average 43.24, strike rate 80.43

Not too dis-similar

As for the players you think are like KP

Jayasuriya - Test average 40.07, strike rate unknown
ODI average 32.87, strike rate 91.16

Gilchrist - Test average 47.60, strike rate 81.95
ODI average 35.89, strike rate 96.94

Gayle - Test average 38.12, strike rate 57.22
ODI average 38.84, strike rate 80.24

From the 5 batsman above I think Pontings stats are the most like KP's. He also bats in a similar position in the order. I don't know how much of Ricky Ponting you've seen over the years but when he is in the mood in any form of the game he can be equally, if not more destructive than KP can. I get the impression you don't think Ponting is an aggressive batsman yet his test strike rate is only 4 less than KP's

Secondly, I think Jayasuriya, Gilly and Chris Gayle have all been captain of their respective country at some point, so I don't understand what point you're trying to make there :? :?
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