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samcrewe
Post subject: Re: KP good / bad decision?
PostPosted: 08:15 on 7th Aug 2008

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not seen too much of Ponting bat really. Just the 6 years I've lived in Aus seeing him on every commercial every cricket based piece of media there is in this country. So, yeah I suppose you could say I am unqualified to compare the two :roll:

Sure the averages suggest they are similar, but you will never see Ponting go for sixes or fours in his first few overs at the crease. KP has done that 3 times in this series. And for that reason they are very different

I think even you said in another thread that stats can be misleading and here is perfect example
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Airliebird9
Post subject: Re: KP good / bad decision?
PostPosted: 14:23 on 7th Aug 2008

Joined: 02:04 on 24th Apr 2008
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Location: East Yorkshire
samcrewe Wrote:
not seen too much of Ponting bat really. Just the 6 years I've lived in Aus seeing him on every commercial every cricket based piece of media there is in this country. So, yeah I suppose you could say I am unqualified to compare the two :roll:

Sure the averages suggest they are similar, but you will never see Ponting go for sixes or fours in his first few overs at the crease. KP has done that 3 times in this series. And for that reason they are very different

I think even you said in another thread that stats can be misleading and here is perfect example



I doubt I would ever say that. If I did I must've been pi$$ed. Stats never lie!!

You live in Australia and you've seen Ricky Ponting in adverts on the tele and that helps you compare him to other players how :? :?
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samcrewe
Post subject: Re: KP good / bad decision?
PostPosted: 00:37 on 8th Aug 2008

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it was a statement to highlight that Australia is a "Ricky-mad" country and that I have seen his batting style analysed and over-analysed so much by Aussie commentators and television that I think I have a fair knowledge of his batting of the last 6 years.

KP is one of a very few select batsmen worldwide who will attempt a six within the first few overs of being at the crease. I have never seen Ponting do this and for that reason I don't know how they can be compared alike.

If you read back my comments you will see that I do make reference to Gilly being captain (I think only on 5 occasions) but it makes very little difference to the Aussie team as he batted at 7 and was not the best batsman, so could afford to employ his usual attacking stance. Jayasuriya and Gayle are arguably not the best batsmen in their team either, arguably the most destructive when on song but Chanderpaul and Sarwan as well as Jayawardena would be considered "better" batsmen than the both of them. Therefore there is less risk in making those players captain.

Back to the original point. KP is England's best batsman, by a mile, most aggressive by 100 miles and bats high up the order. Therefore a recipe for disaster in my opinion as it could force him to change his style, which will inevitably affect his average/performance/contribution to the team
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Airliebird9
Post subject: Re: KP good / bad decision?
PostPosted: 12:14 on 8th Aug 2008

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samcrewe Wrote:
it was a statement to highlight that Australia is a "Ricky-mad" country and that I have seen his batting style analysed and over-analysed so much by Aussie commentators and television that I think I have a fair knowledge of his batting of the last 6 years.

KP is one of a very few select batsmen worldwide who will attempt a six within the first few overs of being at the crease. I have never seen Ponting do this and for that reason I don't know how they can be compared alike.

If you read back my comments you will see that I do make reference to Gilly being captain (I think only on 5 occasions) but it makes very little difference to the Aussie team as he batted at 7 and was not the best batsman, so could afford to employ his usual attacking stance. Jayasuriya and Gayle are arguably not the best batsmen in their team either, arguably the most destructive when on song but Chanderpaul and Sarwan as well as Jayawardena would be considered "better" batsmen than the both of them. Therefore there is less risk in making those players captain.

Back to the original point. KP is England's best batsman, by a mile, most aggressive by 100 miles and bats high up the order. Therefore a recipe for disaster in my opinion as it could force him to change his style, which will inevitably affect his average/performance/contribution to the team



Interestingly if you look at Ricky Ponting's career with regard to his strike rate. KP's career test match strike rate is around 63. In the first 5 years of Ponting's career he scored faster than KP's strike rate 1 in every 8 innings. In the last 5 years of his career he has scored faster than KP's strike rate in almost 1 in every 3 innings. Over his full career he has scored faster than KP's strike rate in 67 of his 199 innings or 1/3 of his innings.

He has scored 50 or more faster than KP's strike rate 34 times no less!!! Only 6 of them in the first 5 years of his career and 21 of them in the last 5 years. He has scored 10 centuries faster than KP's strike rate, 4 150+ faster than KP's strike rate and 1 double century faster than KP's strike rate.

I think it is fair to say Ricky Ponting has definately become a more aggressive batsman as his career has progressed and to state he is not an agressive batsman is just plain wrong when his stats are analysed. It is also fair to say he has become a more aggressive batsman since he has been the captain of the team!
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samcrewe
Post subject: Re: KP good / bad decision?
PostPosted: 12:33 on 8th Aug 2008

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I've never said Ponting isn't an aggressive batsman. I agree, he is. But that doesn't make him similar to Ponting in my opinion. You are completely right, when Ponting gets going with the bat he is formidable. He is the best al round batsman in the world and certainly the most consistent over the last 10 years.

It must also be remembered that Ponting has the luxury of having a very strong batting line-up around him which gives him a certain freedom to bat aggressively. KP hasn't had that luxury but still manages to keep a very aggressive strike rate and average.
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