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Jon D
Post subject: Re: How wished they were out there
PostPosted: 10:08 on 14th Dec 2008

Joined: 13:20 on 14th Jul 2008
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Following on from Barmy Singh's post - I'm gutted I'm not there, too.

Would originally have been flying out today. My reasons for not going are due to circumstances beyond my control - if everything was OK back here in Blighty I'd have headed out and found my way to Chandigarh, without a doubt.

How have I found the rest of India? I'd say favourite cities are Mumbai - love the place - Kolkata and Cochin (very chilled). Kolkata is so interesting, full of history, would be a great place for a tour, some good bars and nightlife. I ate in Ganguly's restaurant when I was there, which I rate more highly than Tendulkar's in Mumbai - but, that said, I'd rate Leopold's higher than both of them! The wide open Maidans in the middle of the city are a great place to people-watch, and there's always games of cricket on the go, no matter what day of the week it is. I love the rickety old trams, too, and the Howrah bridge and all its hustle and bustle needs to be seen - and as for Eden Gardens, well, wow, amazing - I'd love to see a game there.

Goa is lovely if you need a few days to chill, and the bonus being that it's even cheaper than the rest of India!

As for Agra, well it's a hell-hole in my opinion, but the Taj is the most amazing man-made object I've ever seen. Well worth a visit.

As for Chennai, I went there in May, 43 degrees on a daily basis - interesting place, plenty around the place to go see, but I found the nightlife to be a bit thin on the ground.

Can't wait to go back though, no matter where it is - amazing place.
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Richhufc
Post subject: Re: How wished they were out there
PostPosted: 12:56 on 14th Dec 2008

Joined: 20:35 on 14th May 2008
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Location: Hereford
fernando Wrote:
Crouchy Wrote:
I'm completely gutted I'm not there. Would have done Chennai if it was number two. At least Colly's getting some runs and England are looking good!


Wonder if any of the Barmies have been in the "runs"


Union Dave has not been well but has yet to miss a ball!
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fernando
Post subject: Re: How wished they were out there
PostPosted: 15:31 on 14th Dec 2008

Joined: 12:48 on 25th Apr 2008
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Fair play to him for sticking it out.
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yorkssicknote
Post subject: Re: How wished they were out there
PostPosted: 02:11 on 15th Dec 2008

Joined: 07:25 on 25th Nov 2008
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yes
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blueandy1mac
Post subject: Re: How wished they were out there
PostPosted: 09:19 on 15th Dec 2008

Joined: 12:30 on 14th Jul 2008
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Location: Preston UK
yorkssicknote Wrote:
yes


I'm completely astounded by that response Sickie, oh me as well by the way.

I'll come clean, as the end draws near I have left the ground. I can't bear to see us lose a game we should have won (again), but in my wildest dreams i would'nt believe we could lose.
For me KP has had a shocker, in almost every department and, short of caning them on the pitch, could not have undermined the two strike bowlers more today. Wonder how he see's his own contribution ? if he bothers to analyse it, which I doubt.
Consolation (not much) beer beckons.
ATB to all who could'nt make it, the Indians have been great and have'nt felt even remotely threatened anywhere, especially Mumbai.
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Maidenover
Post subject: Re: How wished they were out there
PostPosted: 10:26 on 15th Dec 2008

Joined: 09:13 on 23rd Apr 2008
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Not just KP, as these days here's an army of people involved, coach (es) , video analysts, stats people, captain, senior players, etc. I'd really like to know who's really driving things and who's going to put their hand up for taking the foot off the gas when we could have been positive and possibly run up an even bigger lead, but more importantly we had Indians the back foot and we should have kept them there, and think the guys in the Sky studio are right about the field settings (today) where we didn't build any pressue on the batsmen.
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mike
Post subject: Re: How wished they were out there
PostPosted: 16:45 on 15th Dec 2008

Joined: 08:08 on 23rd Jul 2008
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fernando Wrote:
Wonder if any of the Barmies have been in the "runs"


For the record, I'm not out !!
A great time is being had by the attendees. There have been a few sore heads judging by the sweat pouring off some folks heads during the morning sessions play !!
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Richhufc
Post subject: Re: How wished they were out there
PostPosted: 06:19 on 16th Dec 2008

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My only two gripes were the decision to bowl short and wide at Sehwag with the new ball - that simply fed his strength, allowing them to get off to the flier they needed. If that was a Peter Moores / KP tactic then the two need to have a really long re-think. It was pathetic. There was only a deep backward sqaure and no third man. Brainless.

Secondly what is the point of Monty if he cannot take a wicket on a 5th day wicket when we have 387 runs on the board? He doesn't bat or field so it is imperative he takes wickets.

Apart from that you have to take your hat off to Sachin and Yuvraj (as much as the latter is still a shit test bat) and say they played well.

Up to Delhi tomorrow then Chandigarh in the evening.

Goa seems a long time ago :lol:
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Big Harvey
Post subject: Re: How wished they were out there
PostPosted: 08:16 on 16th Dec 2008

Joined: 09:14 on 23rd Apr 2008
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Richhufc Wrote:
Secondly what is the point of Monty if he cannot take a wicket on a 5th day wicket when we have 387 runs on the board? He doesn't bat or field so it is imperative he takes wickets.



Monty's taking a lot of unfair stick over this. Due to the ECB deciding not to pay £6,500 to a club in Sri Lanka that would have given him valuable experience, as well as competitive first class cricket in subcontinental conditions, he's had four months without a competitive match of any kind.

It was always going to be a big ask to expect him to perform at his best under such circumstances. I would also add that even Harbhajan, who was both well practiced and familiar with the conditions hardly set the world alight with his bowling, so it can't have been that easy for spinners on that pitch.

The ECB appears to have its priorities a little bit wrong. They seem to be able to afford to send their officials on jollies attending joke tournaments in Antigua, and even to send Adil Rashid out on tour even though he's not part of the squad and not being considered for selection.

If they can afford to do these things, why not spend what in the larger scheme of things is peanuts to give our premier spinner valuable experience and vital match practice?

I'm not surprised that the normally unflappable Monty looked so low on confidence in this game.
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Maidenover
Post subject: Re: How wished they were out there
PostPosted: 08:55 on 16th Dec 2008

Joined: 09:13 on 23rd Apr 2008
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Being "undercooked" contributed to the quality of this game. Strauss had no warm up but was excellent. However, I agree with BH that Monty is coming in for stick (and compared to Harbajan he was OK) when there are a few others who need looking at more. Sehwag was rightly named man of the match as he changed the momentum in India's favour, so the bowling strategy to him needs careful analysis. What happened afterwards was bowled in the context of us realising we were going to struggle if Sachin (or Ghambir, or Dravid, or Laxman or Yuvraj or Dhoni) got in (the overall rate to get to the target was only 3 an over from the start).

We have coaches and bowling coaches who should be looking at the way to be bowling at each batsman and on this occasion (not just Sehwag) this was the area where we were most deficient. The bowlers couldn't have been happy bowling to the fields they had (spinners hate conceeding singles as they afford no chance of getting the batsman out, whereas an agressive shot brings some hope). Have to agree with richulfc, that the field for Sehwag was incredulous and the line bowled also defied logic.

Yes this is bigger than just Monty and hope we're having a good look at this at this very moment.
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